In
the previous
installment of this study, I argued that the time period during which the
“beginning of pangs” will be occurring is distinct from, and prior to, the
second half of the 70th heptad. I will now demonstrate that this
earlier period of time (i.e., when the “beginning of pangs” begin to occur) is within that broader period of time
referred to as the “day of the Lord.” As a corollary of this, I will argue that
the “beginning of pangs” referred to by Christ is the earliest expression of
God’s indignation during the “day of the Lord.”
The Seven-Sealed Scroll
In
Revelation 5-6 we read of Christ receiving, and then opening, a scroll given to
him by his God and Father (who is described as “Him who is sitting on the
throne”). This scroll is described as having writing “in front and on the
back,” and as being “sealed up with seven seals.” Moreover, we discover that,
besides Christ, “no one in heaven, nor yet on earth, nor yet underneath the
earth, was able to open the scroll, neither to look at it” (Rev. 5:3). No one
except our Lord Jesus Christ was found worthy of this.
After
the breaking of each of the scrolls’ seven seals, we read of a different future
event taking place. As has been noted by many students of scripture, there seem
to be striking similarities between the various events brought about by the
opening of the seven-sealed scroll and the events prophesied by Christ in the
Olivet Discourse. For example, we’re told that the breaking of the second seal
of the scroll results in peace being taken “from out of the earth,” which is a
reference to war (Rev. 6:3-4). This seems to correspond with what Christ
declared to his disciples in Matt. 24:6-7: “And you
will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this
must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation,
and kingdom against kingdom...”
We’re
also told that the breaking of the third seal results in famine (6:5-6), and
that the breaking of the fourth seal results in people dying from “the blade,”
“famine,” “death” and “the wild beasts of the earth” (6:8). This, too, seems to
correspond with what Christ declared concerning the “beginning of pangs”: ”Besides, there shall be great quakes and, in places,
famines and pestilences.” The quakes to which Christ referred can also
be understood as related to the breaking of the third and fourth seals, since
earthquakes can, of course, bring about death as well as contribute to food
scarcity. The breaking of the sixth seal also implies the occurrence of an
earthquake (Rev. 6:12-17). But should the events that will be brought about
through Christ’s opening the seven-sealed scroll be understood as expressions
of God’s indignation during the day of the Lord? I think there’s very good reason to believe that they
should.
First, it was noted in part two of this study that, in Rev. 1:10, the apostle John wrote that he “came to be, in spirit, in the Lord's day.” I went on to argue that the expression "the Lord's day" should best be understood as an alternate form of the expression "the day of the Lord," and that John understood it as conveying the same meaning. Understood in this way, John had in mind that future period of time during which God will begin intervening in world affairs to judge the inhabitants of the earth and restore the kingdom to Israel. It was by means of a vision (“in spirit”) that John came to be in this future "day," and saw what was going to take place during this period of time. The implication of this is that all of the prophesied events and judgments that John subsequently describes as leading up to Christ’s return (as well as the events taking place afterword, until the passing away of the present heaven and earth) will be occurring during the (broad) day of the Lord. And this, of course, includes the events associated with the opening of the seven-sealed scroll.
In addition to this fact, I argued in part three that we should understand both the seven bowl-related calamities as well as the seven trumpet-related calamities as expressions of God’s indignation. But if the trumpet and bowls are to be understood as essentially related to God’s indignation during the day of the Lord, then the seventh seal must also be understood as essentially related to God’s indignation. The reason this is so is because (as argued earlier) it is the breaking of the seventh seal which results in the sounding of the seven trumpets (Rev. 8:1-2, 6).
First, it was noted in part two of this study that, in Rev. 1:10, the apostle John wrote that he “came to be, in spirit, in the Lord's day.” I went on to argue that the expression "the Lord's day" should best be understood as an alternate form of the expression "the day of the Lord," and that John understood it as conveying the same meaning. Understood in this way, John had in mind that future period of time during which God will begin intervening in world affairs to judge the inhabitants of the earth and restore the kingdom to Israel. It was by means of a vision (“in spirit”) that John came to be in this future "day," and saw what was going to take place during this period of time. The implication of this is that all of the prophesied events and judgments that John subsequently describes as leading up to Christ’s return (as well as the events taking place afterword, until the passing away of the present heaven and earth) will be occurring during the (broad) day of the Lord. And this, of course, includes the events associated with the opening of the seven-sealed scroll.
In addition to this fact, I argued in part three that we should understand both the seven bowl-related calamities as well as the seven trumpet-related calamities as expressions of God’s indignation. But if the trumpet and bowls are to be understood as essentially related to God’s indignation during the day of the Lord, then the seventh seal must also be understood as essentially related to God’s indignation. The reason this is so is because (as argued earlier) it is the breaking of the seventh seal which results in the sounding of the seven trumpets (Rev. 8:1-2, 6).
Just
as the breaking of the first four seals result in the “four horsemen” that
follow, so the breaking of the seventh seal results in the subsequent sounding
of the seven trumpets (and in this sense, we could understand the seven
trumpet-related calamities as being “contained” within the seventh seal, just
as the four horsemen-related events can be understood as being “contained”
within the first four seals). And given that the seventh seal must be
understood as essentially related to God’s indignation, consistency demands
that we view the previous seals as equally related to God’s indignation in some
way. That is, just as the breaking of the seventh seal results in a certain
manifestation of God’s indignation (i.e., the seven trumpet-related
calamities), so we should understand the breaking of the previous six seals as
also resulting in (or at least promising) a manifestation of God’s indignation
during the day of the Lord.
Seals Five and Six
As is the case with the trumpet-related calamities, the mere fact that the word “indignation” is not explicitly used in reference to a particular seal is in no way an argument against the position that the breaking of the seal is, in some way, related to the expression of God’s indignation (see part three of my study for a more in-depth defense of this particular point with regards to the seven trumpets). However, it’s significant that the word indignation does, in fact, occur in Rev. 6:16-17, as part of the response of those who will be going through the frightening events brought about by the breaking of the sixth seal. Here’s how the events resulting from the opening of the sixth seal are described:
Seals Five and Six
As is the case with the trumpet-related calamities, the mere fact that the word “indignation” is not explicitly used in reference to a particular seal is in no way an argument against the position that the breaking of the seal is, in some way, related to the expression of God’s indignation (see part three of my study for a more in-depth defense of this particular point with regards to the seven trumpets). However, it’s significant that the word indignation does, in fact, occur in Rev. 6:16-17, as part of the response of those who will be going through the frightening events brought about by the breaking of the sixth seal. Here’s how the events resulting from the opening of the sixth seal are described:
12 And I perceived,
when It opens the sixth seal, and a great cataclysm occurred, and the sun
became black as sackcloth of hair, and the whole moon became as blood,
13 and the stars of heaven fall on the earth as a fig tree is casting its shriveled figs, quaking under a great wind.
14 And heaven recoils as a scroll rolling up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the magnates, and the captains, and the rich, and the strong, and every slave and freeman, hide themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains.
16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him Who is sitting on the throne, and from the indignation of the Lambkin,
17 for the great day of Their indignation came, and who is able to stand?"
It should be noted that the same word translated “came” in v. 17 is consistently used by John to refer to either a time that has already arrived (Rev. 11:18; 14:7; 14:15; 19:7) or a time which arrived at some point in the past (Rev. 18:10). So it can be reasonably concluded that God’s indignation is, in fact, being expressed through the event(s) that follow the opening of the sixth seal. But what about the fifth seal?
13 and the stars of heaven fall on the earth as a fig tree is casting its shriveled figs, quaking under a great wind.
14 And heaven recoils as a scroll rolling up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the magnates, and the captains, and the rich, and the strong, and every slave and freeman, hide themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains.
16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him Who is sitting on the throne, and from the indignation of the Lambkin,
17 for the great day of Their indignation came, and who is able to stand?"
It should be noted that the same word translated “came” in v. 17 is consistently used by John to refer to either a time that has already arrived (Rev. 11:18; 14:7; 14:15; 19:7) or a time which arrived at some point in the past (Rev. 18:10). So it can be reasonably concluded that God’s indignation is, in fact, being expressed through the event(s) that follow the opening of the sixth seal. But what about the fifth seal?
In
Rev. 6:9-11 we read, “And when It opens the fifth seal, I
perceived underneath the altar the souls of those who have been slain because
of the word of God and because of the testimony which they had. And they cry
with a loud voice, saying, "Till when, O Owner, holy and true, art Thou
not judging and avenging our blood on those dwelling on the earth?" And to
each of them was given a white robe, and it was declared to them that they
should be resting still a little time, till their number should be completed by
their fellow slaves also, and their brethren, who are about to be killed even
as they were.”
Rather
than resulting in a particular expression of God’s indignation, the opening of
the fifth seal reveals why further expressions of God’s indignation are
necessary. At this point during the day of the Lord, there will be saints who
will have been slain because of their faith in Christ. These martyred saints
are figuratively represented as asking how long it will be until they are
avenged by God. It’s then revealed that more saints are about to be killed
“even as they were,” and implied that the avenging of the saints represented as
crying out for justice will not take place (at least, not in full) until after the full number of saints have
been killed.
Earlier
I argued that, during the first half of the 70th week, Jewish
believers will be persecuted and killed by both unbelieving gentiles and
unbelieving Jews. It’s possible that this is the category of saints who are
represented in John’s vision as crying out for justice, and that those saints
who we’re told “are about to be killed” are those who will be martyred during
the second half of the 70th heptad (i.e., during the time of great
affliction). In any case, the vision that results from the opening of the fifth
seal seems to point forward to a time of continued (and possibly intensified)
martyrdom for the saints, and thus provides the reader with reason to expect further
– and more severe – calamities to come upon “those dwelling on the earth,”
until every saint who is to be killed during this time has been avenged by God.
The First Four Seals
Perhaps
one of the most compelling pieces of evidence confirming the inseparable
relationship that the seven seals have to God’s indignation is found in Rev.
6:7-8. There, the breaking of the fourth seal (and its devastating results) is
described as follows: “And when It opens the fourth seal, I
hear the voice of the fourth animal saying, ‘Come!’ And I perceived, and lo! a
greenish horse, and the name of him who is sitting upon it is Death, and the
Unseen followed him. And jurisdiction
was given them over the fourth of the earth, to kill with the blade and with
famine and with death and by the wild beasts of the earth.”
When
we read that “jurisdiction” was given Death and the Unseen, the question
naturally arises: “From whom does this
“jurisdiction” come?” The answer to this question is clear: ultimately, it
comes from God himself (i.e., the one sitting on the throne, and who gives
Christ the seven-sealed scroll to open). But what needs to be emphasized here
is that the instrumental means through which “a fourth of the earth” is to be
killed as a result of Christ’s breaking the fourth seal are the exact
same means that God used in the past when bringing judgment against
unfaithful Israel and “pouring out his fury” on them. In Ezekiel 5:12-13, 15-17
we read the following sobering words (spoken by God to the people of
Jerusalem):
“A third part of you shall die of pestilence and be consumed with famine in your midst; a
third part shall fall by the sword all
around you; and a third part I will scatter to all the winds and will unsheathe the sword after them. Thus
shall my anger spend itself, and I
will vent my fury upon them and
satisfy myself. And they shall know that I am Yahweh—that I have spoken in
my jealousy—when I spend my fury upon
them…
“…You shall be a reproach and a
taunt, a warning and a horror, to the nations all around you, when I execute judgments on you in anger
and fury, and with furious rebukes—I am Yahweh; I have spoken—when I
send against you the deadly arrows
of famine, arrows for destruction, which I will send to destroy you, and when I bring more and more famine upon you and break your supply of bread.
I will send famine and wild beasts against you, and they will rob you
of your children. Pestilence and blood shall pass through you, and I will
bring the sword upon you. I am Yahweh; I have spoken.”
Similarly,
in Ezekiel 14:21 we read: “For thus
says the Lord God:
How much more when I send upon Jerusalem my four disastrous acts of judgment, sword, famine, wild
beasts, and pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast!” [Note: With regards to the use of “death” instead of
“pestilence” in Rev. 6:8, it’s likely that this is simply an example of the figure of speech “metonymy.” A.E.
Knoch also notes in his commentary that, whenever “famine” and “plague” are
joined together in the Hebrew Scriptures (see 1 Ki. 8:37, 2 Chr. 20:9, Jer.
21:7, 9; 24:10; 44:13; Ez. 6:11; 7:15) the LXX translation replaces “plague”
with “death.” It’s thus not surprising that John would do the same in Rev. 6:8.]
These same four figures are
prophesied as expressions of God’s wrath in several other passages as well (cf.
Lev 26:21-28; Numb 11:33; 16:46; 25:8-11; Deut 11:17; 28:20-26; 32:22-25; Jer.
15:1-9; 16:4-11; 19:7-9; Ezek 6:11-12; 7:3-15). The fact that it is by means of these exact
“disastrous acts of judgment” from God that a fourth of the earth will be
killed after the fourth seal is broken by Christ strongly implies that the
result of the breaking of the fourth seal will be an expression of God’s
indignation.
As
far as the three preceding seals and their corresponding “horsemen,” little
needs to be said at this point. Insofar as the events associated with the
opening of the second and third seals can easily be understood as preliminary
to the widespread death and devastation which results from the opening of the
fourth seal, they, too, can be understood as expressions of God’s indignation. In
any event, seals two and three are clearly associated with events that involve
human suffering and hardship (i.e., world war and scarcity of food/inflation),
and as such can be reasonably understood as two early expressions of God’s
indignation during the day of the Lord (when “pangs” will just be beginning).
With
regards to the opening of the first seal, we’re told that it will unleash a rider on a white horse. This rider is said to have a bow, to be given a wreath, and to come forth “conquering and that he should be conquering.” Many students of scripture have understood (rightly, I believe) the first horseman to represent the coming wicked world ruler whom Paul referred to as “the man of lawlessness” (2 Thess. 2:4), and whom John referred to as “the wild beast” (Rev. 11:7; 13). If this is the case, it is significant that John twice referred to this future world ruler as engaged in “conquering.” In Rev. 11:7 we read that the wild beast will be “doing battle with [the two witnesses] and will be conquering them and killing them.” And in Rev. 13 we read that the wild beast will be “given authority to do what it wills forty-two months,” and that it will be “given to do battle with the saints and to conquer them” (Rev. 13:4-7). In light of this fact, it would be highly appropriate for this wicked ruler to be first described as coming forth “conquering and that he should be conquering.”
Given that the “horseman” associated with the first seal likely represents the man of lawlessness, the opening of this seal can be understood as bringing about his rise to power, and his emergence on to the world scene as an influential political leader (and, for unbelieving Israel, as a possible Messiah figure). Given the likelihood that it is his actions as a world leader that will, whether directly or indirectly, lead to the calamities associated with the subsequent seals (among other evils that will unfold during the final years of this eon, including widespread deception), the opening of the first seal can also be easily understood as an expression of God’s indignation.
Given that the “horseman” associated with the first seal likely represents the man of lawlessness, the opening of this seal can be understood as bringing about his rise to power, and his emergence on to the world scene as an influential political leader (and, for unbelieving Israel, as a possible Messiah figure). Given the likelihood that it is his actions as a world leader that will, whether directly or indirectly, lead to the calamities associated with the subsequent seals (among other evils that will unfold during the final years of this eon, including widespread deception), the opening of the first seal can also be easily understood as an expression of God’s indignation.
We
can, therefore, reasonably conclude that the breaking of the seven seals involves, in some way or another, the expression
of God’s indignation against the inhabitants of the earth, and that this
indignation continues with the more severe trumpet-related calamities and concludes
with the even more severe bowl-related calamities. The judgments related to the
seals, trumpets and bowls are clearly sequential and progressive, and simply
intensify as they are unleashed upon earth’s inhabitants. And given the
reasonable inference that the seal-related judgments are to be unleashed on the
earth during the first half of the 70th heptad, it can be reasonably
concluded that the day of the Lord encompasses the entire 70th
heptad, and will be characterized by God’s indignation (which, again, will be
expressed through increasingly more severe calamities as time progresses).
“Now whenever they may be
saying ‘Peace and security’”
That
the day of the Lord will begin when the judgments associated with the
seven-sealed scroll commence is, I believe, further confirmed by what Paul
wrote in 1 Thess. 5:1-3. In v. 3 we read that the day of the Lord will begin
when people are saying, “Peace and security!” In other words, they will see peace and
security as characterizing their present state of affairs, and it is for this
reason that the “extermination” which “they may by no means escape” will be
“standing by them unawares.” This being the case, it follows that the time
of peace which unbelievers will see as characterizing the world when the day of
the Lord begins will most likely be before
the opening of the second seal (when peace will be taken from out of the earth),
and before the fulfillment of
Christ’s words in Matthew 24:6-7 (in which we’re told that nation will be
roused against nation and kingdom against kingdom).
Consider
also the imagery that Paul used to describe the devastating judgments that will
commence with the coming of the day of the Lord. Paul likened the
“extermination” that will be standing by people “unawares” at the start of the
day of the Lord as “a pang over the pregnant” (1 Thess. 5:2-3). Similar “birth
pang” imagery is found in Isa. 13:6-9 and Jer. 30:6-7, and was, of course, also
used by Christ in his Olivet Discourse when describing some of the earliest
events that will be taking place during the final years of this eon. Moreover,
although most translations have “labor pains” (plural) in 1 Thess. 5:3, Paul
actually used the singular “pang.” Paul was not referring to labor pains in
general or collectively, but rather to the first
labor pang experienced by a pregnant woman. It is this labor pang which, by
virtue of its being the first, comes most unexpectantly (it also foretells even
more pangs to come, which will become increasingly more intense until the baby
is finally born).
It
is, therefore, reasonable to infer that Paul had in mind the same general
period of time as Christ did when he referred to the “beginning of pangs.” If
this is the case, then Paul understood the day of the Lord to include the first
half of the 70th heptad, when the “pangs” would begin (and which
correspond with the opening of the first four seals of the seven-sealed
scroll). This, again, would place the beginning of the day of the Lord – when
the “pangs” of which Christ spoke begin – no later than the earliest part of
the time period described by Christ in his Olivet Discourse.
The Unveiling of the Man of
Lawlessness
Based on the conclusions we’ve reached so far, it would
be reasonable to understand the opening of the first seal as resulting in the event that Paul had in
mind in 2 Thess. 2:4 (i.e., the unveiling of the man of lawlessness). But how
will the man of lawlessness be unveiled? In part three of my study on the
snatching away, I suggested that this could be at the midpoint of the 70th
heptad, when the man of lawless sits down in the temple as if he were God.
However, I’ve since reconsidered this scenario as being the best interpretation
of what Paul wrote here. Given the plausibility that the events brought about
by the breaking of the seven-sealed scroll will occur during the first 3½ years
of the 70th heptad, it’s more likely that the unveiling of the man
of lawlessness will involve some earlier prophetic event.
If
this is the case, then what Paul wrote in 2 Thess. 2:4 shouldn’t be understood
as indicating
when the man of lawlessness is
unveiled; rather, the information found in this verse was simply intended by
Paul to further explain who, exactly, the “man of lawlessness” is. Paul most likely referred to
this event simply because it was of greater prophetic prominence/emphasis in
scripture, and would make the particular person he had in view more easily
identifiable to his readers (both in a prophetic sense, and by more clearly
highlighting his lawless nature). But if this “mid-70th -week” event
is not what Paul had in mind when he referred to the man of lawlessness as
being “unveiled,” then what did Paul perhaps have in mind?
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ReplyDeleteThat the day of the Lord will begin when the judgments associated with the seven-sealed scroll commence is, I believe, further confirmed by what Paul wrote in 1 Thess. 5:1-3.
Doesn’t have to be so. It can also commence before opening of the 1st seal.
You wrote: "This being the case, it follows that the time of peace which unbelievers will see as characterizing the world when the day of the Lord begins will most likely be before the opening of the second seal (when peace will be taken from out of the earth), and before the fulfillment of Christ’s words in Matthew 24:6-7 (in which we’re told that nation will be roused against nation and kingdom against kingdom)."
Looks like a contradiction with your earlier statement: first, commencement with opening of 7-sealed scroll, now time of peace before 2nd seal…? No, time of peace = before commencement.
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As far as I recall, no where have you mentioned Rev 1:10 as an argument that practically all of Revelation is written from the perspective of “being within the Day of the Lord”. What is the reason of that?
Jesus Christ will not only come at the conclusion of the eon (Rev 19), but also mid of the 70th heptad. Zech 14:4 points to His feet being set on Mount Olive. However, it will be split and a great valley will be available to… flee!! Think of the woman in Rev 12!
Do you believe that:
a. Israel’s blindness will be removed prior to the 70th heptad?
b. From that time on (removal of blindness), God will focus on Israel again?
c. Jewish ecclesias will be coming into existence prior to the 70th heptad?
d. This present secret economy (dispensation of transcendent grace) will still be in place when God will focus on Israel again?
Hi Val Lev,
DeleteI wrote: “That the day of the Lord will begin when the judgments associated with the seven-sealed scroll commence is, I believe, further confirmed by what Paul wrote in 1 Thess. 5:1-3.”
You replied: “Doesn’t have to be so. It can also commence before opening of the 1st seal.”
Point taken; scripture’s not crystal clear on this issue, and I could certainly be wrong concerning the event with which the day of the Lord will begin. On the other hand, based on 2 Thess. 2:1-3, Paul seemed to believe that the day of the Lord could not be present until the apostasia had come first and the man of lawlessness had been unveiled. And insofar as we have reason to believe that the unveiling of the man of lawlessness is associated with the opening of the first seal, I think it’s at least plausible to see the start of the day of the Lord to be concurrent with this.
I wrote: "This being the case, it follows that the time of peace which unbelievers will see as characterizing the world when the day of the Lord begins will most likely be before the opening of the second seal (when peace will be taken from out of the earth), and before the fulfillment of Christ’s words in Matthew 24:6-7 (in which we’re told that nation will be roused against nation and kingdom against kingdom)."
You replied: “Looks like a contradiction with your earlier statement: first, commencement with opening of 7-sealed scroll, now time of peace before 2nd seal…? No, time of peace = before commencement.”
I’m not seeing the contradiction. The fact of there being a time of peace before the opening of the second seal is perfectly consistent with the time of peace being before the opening of the first seal as well (which is what I do in fact believe). I merely emphasized the time of peace being before the second seal is opened because it is with this seal that peace is taken out of the earth. Thus, the point I was making wasn’t when the time of peace would begin, but when it would end.
You wrote: “As far as I recall, no where have you mentioned Rev 1:10 as an argument that practically all of Revelation is written from the perspective of “being within the Day of the Lord”. What is the reason of that?”
Good question! It was definitely not a deliberate omission. I made the same point concerning “the Lord’s day” in part two of my study (see also footnote 4), and have not changed my view concerning what I wrote at that time. Incorporating this point into the last part of my article would’ve certainly strengthened the case I was making, so I’ll try to work it in somehow. Thanks for bringing my attention to this oversight.
You wrote: “Jesus Christ will not only come at the conclusion of the eon (Rev 19), but also mid of the 70th heptad. Zech 14:4 points to His feet being set on Mount Olive. However, it will be split and a great valley will be available to… flee!! Think of the woman in Rev 12!”
I don't think Christ will be returning at the midpoint of the 70th hetpad. However, I think I’ve already belabored the point concerning how I understand the verses you've referenced in my other response (http://thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/2017/09/a-study-on-timing-of-snatching-away.html), so I’ll refrain from making any further remarks on the subject here!
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DeleteYou asked: “Do you believe that:
a. Israel’s blindness will be removed prior to the 70th heptad?
b. From that time on (removal of blindness), God will focus on Israel again?
c. Jewish ecclesias will be coming into existence prior to the 70th heptad?
d. This present secret economy (dispensation of transcendent grace) will still be in place when God will focus on Israel again? “
Not sure. I’m inclined to believe that Israel’s blindness is removed (or begins to be removed), at the start of the 70th heptad. I lean towards believing that one or both of the two witnesses referred to in Rev. 11 will be coming “in the spirit and power of Elijah” and will be instrumental to the restoration of Israel’s covenant relationship with God, and that they won’t begin their ministry until the start of the 70th heptad. Insofar as I believe that Israel’s blindness will be, or begin to be, removed at the start of this period, I don’t think the present administration will still be in place.
Oh... I forgot to ask the following.
ReplyDeleteIf you somewhat changed your position from part 4 on, how about your argument regarding "snatched away OUT OF the coming indignation", i.e., just before immediate danger strikes.
Is that argument still valid?
If yes: what will (or could) be the immediate danger in your new position?
If no: how do you NOW explain "snatched away OUT OF the coming indignation"?
Thanks again for your feedback!
Yeah, I think the argument's still valid. According to my revised position, the day of the Lord and its accompanying indignation is simply seen as beginning sooner (i.e., at the start of the 70th heptad) rather than later (i.e., at the midpoint). So the "immediate danger" from which we're rescued by Christ at the snatching away is still all of the indignation that will be manifested during the day of the Lord (starting with, I believe, what Christ referred to as "the beginning of pangs").
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