Sunday, November 26, 2017

When Did Christ's Life Begin? A Response to Some Miscellaneous Objections + Further Remarks on Colossians 1:15-17 and the Preeminence and Authority of Christ

Before I begin sharing my understanding of certain passages from the letter to the Hebrews that are commonly thought to be inconsistent with the position I’ve been defending concerning when Christ’s life began (which will be the subject of my next article), I want to first address a few objections I’ve received from other believers on the subject of Christ’s preexistence. After this, I want to share a few more thoughts on Col. 1:15-17 and the related subject of Christ’s authority and preeminence.

Response to Miscellaneous Objections

Objections will appear in red.

Should the view that Christ was not the oldest created being in existence when he was conceived be considered “wrong until proven right”?

“More people believe that Christ preexisted his conception than don’t. This is not only the case today but has been the case throughout “church history.” Thus, the doctrine of the preexistence of Christ should be our starting point when we approach scripture to determine what it teaches. It’s the “undisputed champion” that must be considered the “default winner” until one can bring a scripture-based, knock-down argument against it.”

If majority acceptance and tradition are to be understood as determining which doctrines we should assume to be correct when we approach scripture (at least, unless we’re given compelling reasons to believe otherwise), then the doctrine of the preexistence of Christ is, without a doubt, the “undisputed champion” in comparison to the position I’ve been defending (but, of course, Goliath was considered the “undisputed champion” in his day, and we all know how that turned out). Despite the fact that the position to which I hold is not a popular or well-respected one, I believe it is more than capable of “holding its own” against the more commonly-accepted view.

With regards to the subject of when Christ’s existence began, the prophetic narrative of the Hebrew Scriptures concerning the identity of the Messiah and the simple, straight-forward account of Jesus’ origin in the Greek Scriptures should, I believe, be our true starting point. And when we let this be our starting point, I believe it will be difficult to avoid coming to the conclusion that Christ’s existence began when he was supernaturally conceived in his mother’s womb, and that Christ – the “last Adam” - has never been (nor was ever prophetically spoken of as being) anything other than a human being. In other words – and contrary to the preexistence view - Christ was not the oldest created person in existence when he was conceived in the womb of his mother. On his seventh birthday, our Lord turned seven years old. And when he was around the age of thirty-three, our Lord committed his spirit to God, breathed his last, and died.

The belief that the life of a human being – even one supernaturally generated – does not begin until they’ve been conceived is one of the most natural and reasonable beliefs to which one can hold. Believing that Jesus’ life began when he was conceived in his mother’s womb is not something that one should be expected to reject or doubt until one can be 100% certain that the rest of scripture is consistent with it. Even apart from what I see as the scriptural evidence for this position, the belief that Jesus’ life began at conception is, I submit, a reasonable starting point when we’re thinking about the question of Jesus’ origin. And if this is, in fact, the case, then it is actually those who deny that Jesus’ life began when he was conceived in his mother’s womb from whom one should demand compelling, “knock-down evidence” (apart from which, the position that Christ’s life began at conception should be seen as the most natural and reasonable one to take).

So, is there any such compelling “knock-down evidence” for the view that Christ’s life began long before he was actually generated by God in his mother’s womb, and that he was, in fact, the oldest created person in existence when he was conceived? After having examined all of the primary proof-texts that are thought by proponents of the “preexistence” view to provide the sort of compelling evidence needed to overturn what I consider to be a completely reasonable and natural position to take, I’ve found each and every one of the “proof-texts” to be completely consistent with the view that Christ is, and always has been, a human being whose life began at conception. At the same time, it must be acknowledged that, despite my attempt to demonstrate that every “proof-text” for the preexistence view is, in fact, consistent with my own view, I could be wrong about how I think one or more of these passages should be understood. However, it should be noted that, even if my own understanding of a certain verse or passage is mistaken, it doesn’t mean the verse or passage necessarily supports the preexistence view rather than my own overall position. To say otherwise would be like saying that the doctrine of the trinity must be true just because an opponent of this doctrine has misunderstood one of the passages thought to support it.

Does the doctrine of the preexistence of Christ honor and elevate Christ more than the alternative view?

“Why do you not see how glorious and wonderful it is that our heavenly father begot his precious son in heaven billions of years ago? This view elevates and honors Christ more than the view which says his life began in the womb of his mother, and that he has never been anything other than a human being.”

Ironically, this same sort of argument is made by Trinitarians and Modalists against those holding to a “unitarian” view of God and Christ (including the “Arian” view) all the time. It is said that any view which denies that Christ is “fully God” and does not affirm that he is an uncreated, eternal being is less honoring to Christ (and less glorious and praiseworthy) than one that affirms his “absolute deity.” But of course, this simply isn’t the case. The view that most honors and glorifies Christ is whatever view that is actually affirmed by scripture.

Given this fact, I can’t say that I see the view that Christ was begotten “in heaven billions of years ago” as more “glorious and wonderful” than the one to which I hold, simply because I don’t see it as being taught in scripture. I believe our heavenly Father begot his Son when he was supernaturally conceived in the womb of his mother. This, to me, is a more glorious and wonderful truth simply because I believe it’s scriptural. As I’ve argued in my first post on this subject, the very title “Son of God” is inseparably tied to the fact that Jesus was supernaturally generated by God in the womb of his mother, thus making God his Father. The scriptural view is that Christ was begotten on earth (twice, if you count his resurrection), not “in heaven billions of years ago.”

If anything, it is the view which affirms that Christ has never been anything other than a human which I believe makes far more of Christ’s faith than the view which implies that he spent billions of years in heaven in the very presence of God before being “incarnated” as a human on earth. In fact, I'm inclined to believe that Christ's faith in God was actually GREATER than it would've been had he originally existed in heaven in the very presence of God for billions of years.

According to the view which I believe to be most scriptural, Christ had no memory – and couldn’t have had any memory – of having once existed in heaven in the presence of God as a glorious, spiritual being among other celestial beings. The only life he knew while on earth was the life into which he was born and in which he grew up. The memory of previously existing as a glorious spiritual being dwelling in the presence of God among other celestial beings was just as foreign to him as it is to us. Before he committed his spirit to God and breathed his last on the cross, he had no memory or experiential knowledge whatsoever of what it was like to be anything other than a mortal human being – a being who had seen other mortals die and (with only a few miraculous exceptions) remain dead. And even more than this, it doesn’t seem like Christ had any more knowledge of what would happen to him after he died than is provided in the scriptures. It was in these somber and sobering circumstances that Christ - in full obedience to his God and Father - took that last step into the darkness and into the "shadow of death." And the only thing that enabled him to take this final step of obedience was his faith in God, and the expectation that was based on the faith that he had.

When we contrast the doctrine of Christ's preexistence in heaven with the view which affirms that Christ's existence began as a human on a sin-and-death ravaged earth during this “present wicked eon,” it seems to me that the latter view makes far, far more of Christ’s faith than the former.

More on the Word of God in John 1:1-5

“I agree that God’s “word” is something that can be personified (just like God’s wisdom is personified in Proverbs 8). However, I don’t see how the “word” referred to in John 1:1-5 can be interpreted as “merely” that which God spoke whenever he declared or commanded something. For one thing, we’re told that life and light were “in” this word. How can that be said of a spoken word? Also, Jesus is explicitly called “the Word of God” in Rev. 19:13.”

The Greek word translated “word” in John 1:1 and elsewhere (logosis simply the spoken declaration by which a complete thought is expressed, or the manifestation of a thought through speech. In Gen. 1:2 we're told the Spirit of God was vibrating over the surface of the waters, with no indication that God was speaking anything yet. Then, in v. 3, we're told that God began to speak ("And God said..."). This is repeated throughout the remainder of chapter one. Each command that God spoke (and which resulted in what we read of throughout Gen. 1:3-24) is, therefore, an example God's word. It was not a person distinct from God, but something God said to express what he was thinking.


The most natural and straightforward interpretation of John 1:1-5 would, therefore, be to understand the “word” referred to as that which God literally spoke whenever he is described as speaking in Scripture (including in Genesis 1:3). Again, this is the literal meaning of the word “word” (logos), and all of the examples I provided of the “word” of Yahweh in the Old Testament are examples of something (i.e., a command or message) being spoken/declared by God. Even the “word of Yahweh” that we’re told came to Abraham in a vision (Gen. 15:1-4) was a spoken message declared to Abraham, and which was heard by Abraham during the vision (with the voice that Abraham heard being either the voice of Yahweh himself or a celestial messenger speaking on Yahweh’s behalf). But the “word of Yahweh” referred to in this verse was not literally identical with whoever it was directly speaking to Abraham in the vision; rather, the “word of Yahweh” was the message that was declared to Abraham and heard by him in the vision.

But in what sense can it be said that life (which is said to be “the light of men”) was “in” God’s word? Well, we know that, during Christ’s earthly ministry, the “word of God” came through Christ (John 14:24; 17:6, 8, 14). That is, when he spoke to people, it was as if God himself were speaking to them. And significantly, we’re told that the very declarations that Chris spoke were “spirit and life (John 6:63). If one can make sense of the statement that Jesus’ declarations were “spirit and life,” one shouldn’t have much difficulty making sense of the idea that “life” as well as “light” (i.e., truth, or knowledge) was “in” God’s word (which is implied in places such as Psalm 119:105, where we’re told that God’s word is “a lamp to my feet and light to my path”). Christ also said that God’s word “is truth” (John 17:17), which - given the figurative meaning of “light” - was equivalent to saying that God’s word was “light.” Again, if one can make sense of this statement by Christ, then one shouldn’t have much difficulty in understanding how “life” and “light” could be said to be “in” God’s word.

As far as Jesus’ being called the “Word of God” in Rev. 19:13, this is a title applied to the Man, Jesus Christ. It is nowhere said to be the title of a person who came into existence billions of years ago and (after existing for billions of years as a celestial spirit-being) was eventually transformed into a human. Jesus was not the “word” that existed in the beginning, but rather is what the word of God became when it “became flesh” and “tabernacled among us” (John 1:14). The logos of God - the spoken declaration by which God expresses his thoughts to his creatures - “became flesh” in the sense that it came to find its full expression and manifestation in a human being. Since this time, Jesus could appropriately be referred to as the “Word of God.” Through his words and actions, Christ – like the literal “word of Yahweh” that we read about in the Hebrew Scriptures - made known God’s thoughts and heart in a way that cannot be said of any other created being.

Further Remarks on Christ's Words in John 6

“It is clear that what Jesus said about eating his flesh and drinking his blood in John 6 cannot be interpreted literally (Roman Catholic beliefs notwithstanding). This was clearly a figure of speech. But I don’t see how the same can be said about Jesus’ ‘descent from heaven’ language in this chapter. Why not just take these words literally here?” 

As argued in my earlier article in which this language from John 6 is examined, I understand Christ’s “descent from heaven” language as being an example of the same sort of figurative imagery as found in James 1:16 and 3:15, 17. As I remarked in the article, these verses from James do not mean that the good things in our lives literally descend from heaven (much less that they undergo some kind of mystical, supernatural transformation before we receive them). What James meant is clear enough: God is the author and source of the good things in our lives (including the wisdom by which the saints should live). And just as God is the direct source of “all good giving and every perfect gratuity,” so God was the direct source of the ultimate blessing – i.e., the Son whom he supernaturally generated in the womb of Miriam (Luke 1:34-35).

Even aside from the arguments I made in the original two-part article I wrote in defense of what I believe concerning when Christ’s life began, there is good reason to understand Jesus’ “descent from heaven” language as being the same sort of figurative imagery found in James. As I pointed out in my explanation of John 6, if one wants to take Jesus’ words about descending from heaven literally, they should also (to be consistent) believe that it was Jesus in his mortal, fleshly body that descended from heaven, since that’s what Christ identified the “Bread from heaven” as (see John 6:51, 58). If those holding to the doctrine of Jesus’ pre-existence don’t believe that Jesus descended from heaven with a mortal, flesh-and-blood body, then perhaps they should reconsider their view that Jesus’ words in John 6 support the doctrine of Jesus’ preexistence.

“But in John 6:46, Jesus said that only he had seen God literally. I just don’t see how this can mean anything other than that Jesus existed in heaven before his conception.”

The word “literally” wasn’t used by Jesus in John 6:46. The fact is that the word translated “seen” in John 6:46 (horaō) can, in some contexts, be understood to mean something other than “to see with the eyes.” The word can also mean to have knowledge, understanding or realization of something. A similar idiom is used by English-speakers as well, such as when one says “I see” instead of “I understand” (and I’m sure it will not have escaped the reader’s notice that I intentionally used this alternate, figurative usage of “see” in the very wording of the objection itself).

For example, in 3 John 11 we read, Beloved, do not be imitating the evil, but the good. He who is doing good is of God. He who is doing evil has not seen God.” Clearly, no one among the saints to whom John wrote had literally seen God with their eyes (1 John 4:12). What John meant here was that those who were “doing evil” (which, in the context, meant doing what someone – i.e., Diotrephes - was doing within the ecclesia) had an ignorance of God (compare these words with Paul’s similar rebuke in 1 Cor. 15:34, in which he said that certain people within the ecclesia in Corinth had “an ignorance of God”).

In John 14:7-9, the words “see” and “know” are even used interchangeably to convey the same basic idea: If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also. And henceforth you know Him and have seen Him." Philip is saying to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficing us." Jesus is saying to him, "So much time I am with you, and you do not know Me, Philip! He who has seen Me has seen the Father, and how are you saying, 'Show us the Father'?

When Christ said “and henceforth you know him and have seen him,” he was using two different words to convey the same idea for the sake of emphasis (cf. 1 John 3:6). Had the disciples literally seen the Father with their own eyes? No. But as a result of the approximately three-year period of time they’d spent with Jesus during his earthly ministry, they had come to know the Father better, and – in this sense - can thus can be said to have seen him.

As far as John 6:46 goes, the sense in which Jesus alone had seen the Father is that the Father had revealed himself more clearly to Jesus than to anyone else, such that Jesus alone had come to truly know the Father in the greatest possible sense. And because Jesus alone had been given this intimate knowledge of who God is, he could then unfold the Father to others (John 1:18), so that when they “saw” (i.e., acquired knowledge of) Jesus they “saw” (acquired knowledge of) the Father.

Further Remarks on Colossians 1:15-17

Here, again, is Colossians 1:13-20 (I’ve placed in bold the verses I’ll be focusing on):

13 “[God, the Father] rescues us out of the jurisdiction of Darkness, and transports us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
14 in Whom we are having the deliverance, the pardon of sins,
15 Who is the Image of the invisible God, Firstborn of every creature,
16 for in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him,
17 and He is before all, and all has its cohesion in Him.
18 And He is the Head of the body, the ecclesia, Who is Sovereign, Firstborn from among the dead, that in all He may be becoming first,
19 for in Him the entire complement delights to dwell,
20 and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens.

In my original explanation of these verses, I pointed out that, according to New Testament Greek scholar A.T. Robertson, Paul’s use of the verb translated as “is created” in the CLNT (ktizō ) expresses the idea of everything’s remaining created, or standing created, in and through Christ. That is, in Col. 1:16, Paul was conveying the simple truth that God is presently maintaining all in its created state by means of his Son, Jesus Christ. In this sense, it expresses a similar (if not identical) idea as that found in Heb. 1:3, where we’re told that Christ is carrying on all by His powerful declaration.”

In chapter eight of his book The Minister and His Greek New Testament (page 101), A.T. Robertson further explained why the word translated “is created” (ktizō ) should be understood in this way (emphasis mine): “In summary fashion Paul employs the constative aorist indicative (passive) for the work of creation [i.e., in the first part of Col. 1:16]. Then he resumes the subject and repeats what he has said, but with the present perfect (passive) tense: “All things have been created (stand in the state of creation) through him and unto him.” Notice how Robertson expresses the meaning of the second use of the verb ktizō  by Paul in v. 16 as, “stand in the state of creation.” Robertson then goes on to say, ”But Paul is not quite done with the supremacy of Christ in creation. He adds: “And in him all things consist” (1:17) or “stand together” (another present perfect indicative).”

In other words, according to Robertson (and as evidenced by the tenses used by Paul), Paul had the same basic idea in mind in v. 16 as he did in v. 17. According to Robertson, Paul used the “present perfect indicative” for the words he used in both verses 16 and 17. Verse 17 can, therefore, be understood as clarifying for his readers what sort of “creating” Paul believed Christ was/is responsible for in v. 16. That Robertson understood the word sunestēken [translated as “has its cohesion” in the CLNT] in v. 17 as conveying the same basic idea as ektistai” [“is created” in the CLNT] is clear from what he wrote in his commentary. Commenting on Col. 1:17, Robertson noted that the word sunestēken [“has its cohesion”] “repeats the statements in Col. 1:16, especially that in the form ektistai” [“is created”].

Again, this is all from a Greek scholar who had no theological bias against the doctrine of Christ’s pre-existence (since he believed this doctrine himself). What Robertson had to say concerning the Greek tenses and their meaning in the above quotes is, to me, compelling evidence that Paul had in mind all of creation’s “standing in the state of creation” or “remaining in a created state” in Col. 1:16-17. Even if one does not see this grammatical evidence as a “knock-down argument” against the pre-existence interpretation of verse 16, one must admit that what Paul wrote in these verses is CONSISTENT with the view that Christ’s life began when he was generated in the womb of his mother by God, and that everything Paul wrote in Col. 1:13-20 can be understood as involving the preeminent status and work of Christ since the time of his death and resurrection.

The Preeminence and Authority of Christ

Further support for this understanding of Col. 1:16-17 is found in the fact that, until Christ died in perfect obedience to God and was subsequently roused in glory by his Father, Christ didn’t have the absolute authority over all creation that enabled (and enables) him to do what Paul describes him as doing in Col. 1:16-17. Consider the following: In Hebrews 1:4 we’re told that Christ became so much better than the messengers as He enjoys the allotment of a more excellent NAME than they.” The “allotment of a more excellent name” refers to a superior and preeminent position and rank. But when did this take place? When did Christ begin enjoying “the allotment of a more excellent name than they?” Was it before Christ’s death and resurrection, or after? Answer: The writer of Hebrews apparently believed that it was after Christ’s death and resurrection that he received this elevated, preeminent position (see Heb. 2:5-9). In perfect harmony with this fact, we find in Phil. 2:8-11 that it was only after Christ became “obedient unto death, even the death of the cross” that God “highly [exalted] him, and [graced him] with the NAME that is above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean, and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father.”

Did any of the messengers – or indeed, any other created celestial being at all - have such great authority as to be the agent in and through whom everything in the heavens and on the earth “is created?” No. Christ himself wasn’t even given “all authority in heaven and on the earth” until after his death and resurrection (Matt. 28:18). This being the case, it is simply not logical (as far as scripturally-informed logic goes) in saying that Christ was the one through whom God created everything in the heavens and on the earth BEFORE Christ was “highly exalted” by God, graced with “the name that is above every name,” and given “all authority in heaven and on the earth.” The Son of God through whom all “is created” is the same Son of God who received this preeminent authority and complete superiority over all creation by virtue of having made “a cleansing of sins” by his sacrificial death, and who (because of his obedient death) is consequently now “seated at the right hand of the Majesty in the heights.”

There are several ways in which this argument could be more formally and succinctly expressed. Here’s just one example:

1. In order for any created being to be able to do what Christ is described by Paul as doing in Col. 1:16-17 (i.e., be the one in and through whom everything in heaven and on earth “is created” and “has its cohesion”), he would need to have the same supreme authority and preeminent position/rank as that referred to in Matt. 28:18 and Phil. 2:8-11.

2. Christ didn’t receive the supreme authority and preeminent position/rank referred to in Matt. 28:18 and Phil. 2:8-11 until after his death and resurrection.

3. What Paul wrote concerning Christ in Col. 1:16-17 is not something that could’ve been true of Christ until after his death and resurrection.

4. (Conclusion) Col. 1:16-17 pertains exclusively to Christ in his risen and glorified state.

Moreover (and as noted in the article previously referred to), the title “Firstborn of every creature” means that Christ is preeminent in rank and privilege in relation to “every creature,” while “Firstborn from among the dead” means that Christ is preeminent in rank and privilege in relation to those who have died. Even if Christ had been the first being created by God, it was Christ’s obedient, sacrificial death on the cross that made him worthy of the preeminent rank and privilege that is being expressed by these titles. Simply being created first wouldn’t have entitled our Lord to the glory and honor he received because of his obedient death. Both of these titles came to be applicable to Christ after he was resurrected by his Father and highly exalted by him, gracing him with “the name that is above every name.” It was when Jesus was roused and vivified by his Father (and not eons before he was generated) that he became “so much better than the messengers as He enjoys the allotment of a more excellent name than they.”

In light of the above, let’s now briefly consider Revelation 5. In this chapter, we read that God gave his Son a sealed scroll that “no one in heaven, nor yet on earth, nor yet underneath the earth” was worthy or able to open, or even “to look at.” In contrast with every other created being in the universe, Christ alone is said to be worthy to open the scroll and look at it. Why? By virtue of what, exactly, is Christ so much worthier than every other creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth such that he - and no other created being – is able to open the scroll and look at it? Is it because (as those who affirm the doctrine of Christ’s preexistence believe) Christ was the first creature created by God, and the one through whom God created everything else? Not according to what we read in this particular passage (however, it’s worth noting that, in Rev. 4:11, we read that God is “worthy…to get glory and honor and power” by virtue of the fact that it is by his will that all things “were, and are created” - and notice the interesting distinction made between everything’s having been created by God, and everything being, or remaining, created by God).

Again, I ask: By virtue of what, exactly, is Christ so much worthier than every other creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth that he - and no other created being – is said to be able to open the scroll and look at it? I submit that we can answer this question in a completely satisfactory way without having to bring (or rather, force) the doctrine of Christ’s “preexistence” into the equation at all. In fact, I believe that to attempt to account for Christ’s supreme worthiness – even in part – by appealing to the idea that he was the first creature created by God (or that he was the agent through whom God created everything else) is only a distraction from the true basis of Christ’s exalted status and worthiness in relation to the rest of creation. The fact that Christ - a sinless human being who was supernaturally generated by God - died on behalf of all in perfect obedience to God is the true basis of the worthiness that enables him to be the one who opens the scroll:

And one of the elders is saying to me, “Do not lament! Lo! He conquers! The Lion out of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, is to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals!” And I perceived, in the center of the throne and of the four animals, and in the center of the elders, a Lambkin standing, as though slain…And when It took the scroll, the four animals and the twenty-four elders fall before the Lambkin, each having a lyre, and golden bowls brimming with incenses, which are the prayers of the saints. And they are singing a new song, saying, “Worthy art Thou to be taking the scroll and to open its seals, For Thou wast slain and dost buy us for God by Thy blood.” Revelation 5:5-9


To argue (as some who hold to the preexistence of Christ have argued) that, after his death and resurrection, Christ was simply restored to the same elevated, preeminent position that he is thought to have had before he was “incarnated” is, I believe, to lose sight of (and, to a certain extent, to fail to appreciate) the full magnitude and significance of Christ’s death, and what Christ accomplished through it. It is Christ’s sacrificial death on the cross that fully accounts for his supreme worthiness in relation to the rest of creation that we read about in the above passage. And insofar as this is the case, the doctrine of Christ’s “preexistence” simply becomes a distraction from the truth of the all-sufficiency of Christ’s death.

Monday, November 20, 2017

A consideration of passages thought to reveal the "preexistence of Christ": John's Account, Part Three

John 8:58
53 Not you are greater than our father Abraham who died! And the prophets died. Whom are you making yourself to be?"
54 Jesus answered, "If I should ever be glorifying Myself, My glory is nothing. It is My Father Who is glorifying Me, of Whom you are saying that He is your God.
55 And you know Him not, yet I am acquainted with Him, and if I should be saying that I am not acquainted with Him, I shall be like you, a liar. But I am acquainted with Him and I am keeping His word.
56 Abraham, your father, exults that he may become acquainted with My day, and he was acquainted with it and rejoiced."
57 The Jews, then, said to Him, "You have not as yet lived fifty years, and you have seen Abraham!"
58 Jesus said to them, “Verily, verily, I am saying to you, Ere Abraham came into being, I am
.
59 They pick up stones, then, that they should be casting them at Him. Yet Jesus was hid and came out of the sanctuary. And passing through the midst of them, He went and thus passed by.

In a Nutshell: Rather than claiming to have been alive before Abraham was (as the unbelieving Jews erroneously interpreted him as claiming), Jesus was enigmatically alluding to the fact that he was the promised “seed” spoken of by God in Gen. 3:15. The divine promise of a future “seed” was, of course, made long before Abraham “came into being,” and before Abraham “became acquainted with” Christ’s “day” (which is something that occurred when Abraham believed God’s promise to him concerning his future “seed,” in whom all the nations will be blessed). Christ was, in other words, implying that he was the promised Messiah - and thus superior to Abraham - rather than claiming to have been alive before Abraham.

Expanded Explanation: For those who believe in the pre-existence of Christ, the words translated as “I am” (egō eimi) in v. 58 are viewed as implying that, before Abraham existed, Jesus pre-existed as either Yahweh himself or as a celestial being who served as Yahweh’s representative. However, the expression “egō eimi” was simply a common way of designating oneself; it did not mean one was claiming to be Yahweh or Yahweh’s representative. The very same Greek expression is used in the next chapter by the man Jesus healed of blindness. There, we read that this man kept telling the people, “I am he” (egō eimi), in response to his being questioned (John 9:9). Although this man’s response could just as legitimately be translated “I am” as Jesus’ words in chapter 8, no one thinks this man was claiming to be Yahweh, or even to have been Yahweh’s representative.

The Greek phrase translated in John 8:58 as “I am” occurs many other times in the Greek Scriptures, and is often translated as “I am he” or something equivalent in meaning (for “I am he,” see Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8; John 8:24, 28; 13:19; 18:5, 6 and 8; for “It is I,” see Matt. 14:27; Mark 6:50; John 6:20). Translating egō eimi as “I am” (rather than as “I am he”) in John 8:58 seems to have more to do with the translator having a “theological axe to grind” than anything else, since “I am he” would be both a grammatically valid translation as well as more consistent with how the expression is normally translated.

Moreover, in order for Christ to have been referring to himself as “Yahweh” in John 8:58, he would need to have used different words than he did. The Septuagint translation of Exodus 3:14 (Lexham LXX Interlinear) reads as follows:

κα επεν θες πρς Μωυσν γώ εμι ν,
— said — God to Moses, I am the (One) (who) exists.",

κα
επεν Οτως ρες τος υος Ισραηλ
And (then) he said, "Thus you will say to the sons of Israel,

ν πέσταλκέν με πρς μς.
`The (One) (who) exists has sent me to you.’".


So the Greek translation of God’s title was ho ōn (
ν) rather than egō eimi (γώ εμι).

And God said to Moses, “I AM (egō eimi) THE BEING (ho ōn).” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘THE BEING (ho ōn) has sent me to you’” (Ex 3:14, LXX). But in John 8:58, Christ does not refer to himself as ho ōn (“the being”). Rather, he said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you: before Abraham came into being, I am (he) (egō eimi).” There’s a big difference between merely saying “egō eimi” and “egō eimi ho ōn.” The Greek expression egō eimi is, by itself, not the divine name of God in Greek (which, again, is egō eimi ho ōn), nor is it the shortened version of the name (which is ho ōn). In the LXX, God never used the words egō eimi alone as a means of self-designation. The title ho ōn - either by itself or immediately following egō eimi - was how God identified himself.

Moreover, we can clearly see that the Jews didn’t consider the words “I am (he)” to be the name of God because they weren’t bothered by Jesus using it earlier in the chapter (John 8:24, 28). It definitely wasn’t a reaction to Jesus saying “egō eimi” or else they would have attempted to kill him at verse 24. In this verse, Jesus told the unbelieving Jews,
“I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he (egō eimi) you will die in your sins.” In response to this the unbelieving Jews asked, “Who are you?” Jesus then replied, “Just what I have been telling you from the beginning.” And what had he been telling them? Answer: that he was the one sent from God, and the one to whom the Scriptures bore witness. In chapter 5, Christ told the Jews, “You search the scriptures because you think that in them you have eonian life; and it is they that bear witness about me...” (v. 39). Similarly, in John 5:46-47 he told them, ”If you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”

So who was Christ claiming to be in John 8:58? As is evident from John 8:24-25, the exact meaning of what is being said when someone declared “egō eimi” is not necessarily inherent in the expression, but in many cases needs to be supplied by the listener or reader. That is, when someone used the Greek expression “egō eimi,” the listener (or reader) had to “fill in the blank” in order to understand the exact claim that was being made. There was clearly something being implied that Jesus did not directly state when he declared “egō eimi” (“I am he”) in v. 58. The exact claim that Jesus was making here must be inferred by the listener/reader – and, I submit, this is done by taking into account Jesus’ words in verse 56.

In v. 56, we read that Jesus told the unbelieving Jews, “Abraham, your father, exults that he may become acquainted with My day, and he was acquainted with it and rejoiced.” How did Abraham “see” (or become “acquainted with”) the day of Christ? As is clear from what is said in Hebrews 11:8-19 (cf. v. 39), we can conclude that Abraham didn’t see/become acquainted with Christ’s “day” as a fulfilled reality. Instead, Abraham became acquainted with this “day” by faith in God’s promise concerning his (Abraham’s) future “seed.”

In Gen. Gen. 22:18 God promised Abraham, Your seed shall take over the gateway of its enemies and all the nations of the earth will bless themselves in your seed, inasmuch as you have hearkened to My voice” (see also Gen. 12:4, Gen. 26:4 and Gen. 28:14). God’s promise to Abraham concerning his “seed” was a promise concerning Christ himself, who is the seed of Abraham in whom all the kindreds of the earth will be blessed (Acts 3:25-26; Gal. 3:16). Abraham believed God’s promises to him concerning his future seed and, in that sense, Abraham “saw” or became acquainted with Christ’s “day” (i.e., the time period when the promises made to Abraham concerning his seed began to be fulfilled).

In light of John 8:56 (off of which Jesus is clearly building in v. 58), it is evident that the implication in Jesus’ words in v. 58 is the Messianic claim to be the one who had been promised by God before Abraham was born. Significantly, Gen. 22:18 is not the first time Moses wrote concerning Christ. Nor is Gen. 22:18 the first time that Christ was prophetically referred to as the “seed” of someone. The first Messianic promise in scripture (recorded by Moses) is found in Gen 3:15. In this verse we read of a promised “seed” who, despite being injured by the serpent, would deal it a mortal blow: “And I shall set enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed. He shall hurt you in the head, and you shall hurt Him in the heel.”

Putting it all together, that which was implied in Christ’s words in verse 58 (when he said “I am he”) may be understood as follows: “Before Abraham came into being, I am he (who was promised/spoken of by God).” This makes Jesus’ claim one of pre-eminence and not literal pre-existence (keep in mind that, just a few verses before, the Jews had said to Jesus, “Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died?”). By claiming to be the promised “seed” or offspring foretold by God even before Abraham existed (Gen 3:15), Jesus was claiming to be greater than Abraham (a fact which was inconceivable to the unbelieving Jews, since they did not believe he was who he claimed to be; v. 53). And though Christ was and is superior to Abraham, we have no more reason to think that he literally existed before the patriarch was born than we have reason to believe that Abraham literally “saw” the Messiah’s “day” nearly 2,000 years before Jesus was born (John 8:56).

While the unbelieving Jews rightfully understood Jesus to be making a Messianic claim (which is why they sought to kill him at this time, and is also the basis of the charges that would later be brought against him during his trial), they mistook his words to be an absurd claim to be literally older than Abraham. This is yet another example of the unbelieving Jews completely misunderstanding what Jesus was saying (just like how Jesus’ words were misunderstood when he said, “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you,” and “unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God”). However, Jesus was no more claiming to be older than Abraham than he was claiming that Abraham literally saw his “day” thousands of years before he was born. He was claiming to be the same “seed” promised to Abraham, but who was promised by God before Abraham came to be.

John 17:5
"And now glorify Thou Me, Father, with Thyself, with the glory which I had before the world is with Thee."

In a Nutshell: When Christ prayed that the Father would glorify him, he was referring to the post-resurrection glory that he received because of his sacrificial death. The sense in which Christ had this glory “before the world [was] with [the Father]” is the same sense in which Christ was “slain from the disruption of the world” (Rev. 13:8) and believers were given grace in Christ Jesus “before times eonian” (2 Tim. 1:9). It was, in other words, in God’s foreknowledge that Christ possessed his post-resurrection glory. That which was foreknown by God to take place and central to his redemptive purpose could be spoken of as having occurred long before actually taking place.  

Expanded Explanation: In reading this verse, we first need to ask, “What was the glory that Christ was expecting to receive at some future time, when he prayed this prayer to his Father?” By answering this question, I believe we will be able to come to a more accurate understanding of this verse.

We know that there was a glory that Christ had and manifested when performing miracles during his earthly ministry (John 2:11; cf. 11:4), as well as a glory that he received at the time of his transformation on the mount (Matt. 17:1-2; 2 Pet. 1:16-17). However, we also know that there is a sense in which Christ had not yet been glorified: Now this he said about the spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified” (John 7:39). Later, we learn that the future glorification which Christ underwent was inseparably connected with his death on the cross, and was fully realized in his resurrection (John 12:6, 23; Luke 24:26; 1 Pet. 1:11, 21).

Hebrews 2:9 is especially relevant here. There, we read, Yet we are observing Jesus, Who has been made some bit inferior to messengers (because of the suffering of death, wreathed with GLORY and HONOR), so that in the grace of God, He should be tasting death for the sake of everyone.

It was “because of the suffering of death” that Christ was “wreathed with glory and honor.” The glory and honor that Christ received by virtue of his obedient death on the cross was not a glory and honor that he had, or could’ve had, beforehand (at least, not in any fully realized sense). This glory and honor was given to him by God “BECAUSE” of the suffering of death.

Paul described the glory and honor conferred onto Christ by God in Philippians 2:8-11. There, we read that Christ became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Paul went on to declare, Wherefore also [i.e., for this reason also]God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with the name that is above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean, and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father.”

Do those who believe in the preexistence of our Lord also believe that, from the beginning of his existence, Christ had a “name that is above every name?” How could this be, when this elevated status and honor was given to Christ BECAUSE Christ was “obedient unto death, even the death of the cross?” It’s impossible that this particular glory could’ve been given to Christ and enjoyed by him in any realized sense at any time prior to his death and resurrection. And yet, this is the very glory that Christ entered into after he was roused from among the dead by his God and Father. I hope the reader can now see the error of believing that, in John 17:5, Christ was referring to a glory he personally and consciously enjoyed in a pre-existent state. For the glory that Christ was expecting to receive (and to which he was referring in John 17:5) was a glory that would be given to him by God because of his obedient death. No other created being had been given (nor ever WILL be given) this glory and honor.

So what did Christ mean when he said that this was a glory which he “had before the world is with Thee?” The answer is simple, and (unfortunately) shows how even highly intelligent students of scripture who are “in the grip of a theory” can completely miss the obvious because of a commitment to their own doctrinal presuppositions. In Ephesians 1:4 Paul declared that the saints in the body of Christ were chosen in Christ “before the disruption of the world.” Similarly, we read in 2 Timothy 1:9 that God’s grace was “given to us in Christ Jesus before times eonian…” Did we personally and consciously exist at the time that we were “chosen,” and at the time that God’s grace was “given to us?” Of course not. The only sense in which we existed in order to be “chosen before the disruption of the world” and in order to be given “grace before times eonian” was in God’s foreknowledge, as a key part of his redemptive plan for the universe. God foreknew those in the body of Christ “before the disruption of the world” and “before times eonian,” and thus it can be said that we were chosen in Christ and given grace at this time.

In Romans 8:29 we read that those in the body of Christ were foreknown by God and designated beforehand. The saints in the body of Christ didn’t exist when they were foreknown by God; had they existed, they wouldn’t have been “foreknown” by God. They would’ve simply been “known.” Given this fact, consistency demands that the same be said concerning Christ in light of what we read in 1 Peter 1:20. There, we’re told that Christ was foreknown, indeed, before the disruption of the world, yet manifested in the last times because of you…” (1 Peter 1:20). Had Christ personally existed before the disruption of the world, he wouldn't have been “foreknown” by God at this time. He would have simply been known. As is the case with the saints in the body of Christ, the fact that God foreknew Christ before the disruption of the world presupposes that Christ didn’t actually exist before the disruption of the world.

In response to my sharing my understanding of John 17:5 in a private email correspondence with another believer (who is a proponent of the pre-existence view), he responded with the following rhetorical question: “What sort of glory could a mere concept have before the world was?” In response to this objection, I remarked that if such an objection was really valid, perhaps we should ask Paul in heaven, “How could concepts be chosen in Christ before the disruption of the world?” Or, “What sort of grace could concepts be given in Christ Jesus before times eonian?” My response to this objection also involved quoting Rev. 13:8 from the Concordant Literal New Testament (which the questioner had quoted approvingly on several occasions): “And all who are dwelling on the earth will be worshiping [the wild beast], everyone whose name is not written in the scroll of life of the Lambkin slain from the disruption of the world.

If the objector had no trouble believing that Christ had been “slain from the disruption of the world,” then he should have had no trouble believing that Christ could have been glorified with God before the world was. Not surprisingly, my friend did not follow up with any further objections after this. I can only assume that he realized that, in whatever sense one could say that Christ was “slain from the disruption of the world,” one could also affirm that Christ had been glorified before the world was. And, of course, the only sense in which Christ could be said to have been slain before the disruption of the world was in God’s foreknowledge, as the central figure in his redemptive plan. And in the same way, it was in God’s foreknowledge that Christ was glorified before the world was. Since Christ was “foreknown, indeed, before the disruption of the world,” it follows that Christ’s being glorified after his death was also part of God’s foreknowledge. 

Further support for this understanding of John 17:5 is that Christ went on to say in John 17:22, “And I have given them the glory which Thou has given Me, that they may be one, according as We are One…” Notice here that the same glory that Christ prayed that God would give him is spoken of as if he already possessed it. And not only that, but this glory is spoken of as if it had already been given to his disciples (and from verses 20-21 we know that the disciples of which Christ was speaking included those who weren’t even alive yet!). And in v. 24, Christ prayed, “Father, those whom Thou hast given Me, I will that, where I am, they also may be with Me, that they may be beholding My glory which Thou hast given Me, for Thou lovest Me before the disruption of the world.”

Was Christ literally in a future time and place when he spoke these words, and expressing the desire that his disciples could be there too to see him in a glorified state that was present to him but still future to them? Was Christ confused during his prayer? Not at all; this was simply a figurative way of speaking. In both cases, something that is certain to happen and central to God’s plan (and which had “already occurred” in God’s foreknowledge) is spoken of as if it had already taken place. In v. 5 Christ spoke as if he had been glorified before the world existed, and in v. 24 he spoke as if his glorification (and his being present at the location of his glorification) was a present reality, at the time of his prayer (“…where I am, they also may be with me”). This was simply a figurative way of speaking that emphasized how certain Christ’s glorification was, and how central it was, and has always been, to God’s plan. Things that are certain to exist or take place, and which are central to God's plan, are sometimes spoken of in scripture as if they already exist, or have already been accomplished. When we keep this in mind, Jesus’ words are easily harmonized with the fact that his existence as God's Son began at the time of his conception. Jesus was glorified before the world existed in God's divine foreknowledge, as the center of God’s redemptive plan. 


A consideration of passages thought to reveal the "preexistence of Christ": John's Account, Part Two

“He was first, before me”

John 1
15 John is testifying concerning Him and has cried, saying, "This was He of Whom I said, 'He Who is coming after me, has come to be in front of me,' for He was first, before me…"
26 John answered them, saying, "I am baptizing in water. Now in the midst of you One stood of Whom you are not aware.
27 He it is Who, coming after me, has come to be in front of me, of Whom I am not worthy that I should be loosing the thong of His sandal."
28 These things occurred in Bethany, the other side of the Jordan river, where John was, baptizing.
29 On the morrow he is observing Jesus coming toward him, and is saying, "Lo! the Lamb of God Which is taking away the sin of the world!
30 This is He concerning Whom I said, 'After me is coming a Man Who has come to be in front of me,' for He was First, before me.

In a Nutshell: The word translated “first” in verses 15 and 30 should be understood to mean “foremost in importance.” Understood in this way, these verses affirm the preeminence/superiority of Christ in relation to his cousin, John, rather than the idea that Christ was alive before he was generated.

Expanded Explanation: When John stated that Jesus “was first, before me,” he was simply acknowledging the fact that Jesus had always been superior in rank to, and of greater importance than, he himself. John later stated that Jesus “must be growing” but that it was his (John’s) place to be inferior (John 3:30). Similar to the word translated “first” in Col. 1:18 (prōteuō), the word translated “first” in John 1:15 and 30 (prōtos) can convey the idea of superior rank, or of being “foremost in importance.” Strong’s Concordance, for example, defines prōtos as follows: “foremost (in time, place, order or importance).” 

Understood as referring to importance and rank, Jesus had always been “first” before his cousin, John. That is, Jesus had always been “foremost in importance” in relation to John. And this is something that would be true - and would’ve been true for John to have affirmed - irrespective of whether Jesus was alive before John or not.[1] Even some Christians who affirm the doctrine of the pre-existence of Christ have acknowledged this fact. Consider, for example, the following remark on John 1:15 from John A.T. Robertson in his commentary: “[Christ] had always been (ēn imperfect) before John in his Pre-incarnate state, but “after” John in time of the Incarnation, but always ahead of John in rank immediately on his Incarnation (emphasis mine). As is clear from the quote, Robertson (like all Christians) affirmed the view that Christ was alive in a “pre-incarnate” state. And yet Robertson did not understand the sense in which Christ was “first” or “before” John to have pertained to Christ’s pre-incarnate state. Rather, he understood John to have been saying that Christ was “always ahead of” him (John) in rank “immediately on his Incarnation” (i.e., from the time that Christ entered the world at conception, and began life as a human).

Moreover, even if one wanted to say that John the baptist understood Jesus as being “first” in relation to him even before his conception, it would not require the belief that Christ was alive before his conception. For, consider that it could also be said that Jesus had always been “foremost in importance” in relation to John with respect to his foreknown and prophesied role in God’s plan. Thus, whether we understand Jesus’ being “first” in relation to John to be something that had been true of Christ ever since he was generated/conceived, or whether we understand it to have been true of Christ before both he and John came into existence on earth, there is no good reason to understand John’s words as supporting the idea that Jesus was alive before he was generated in the womb of his mother.

“He who descends out of heaven”

John 3
13 “And no one has ascended into heaven except He Who descends out of heaven, the Son of Mankind Who is in heaven.”[2]

John 6
33 “…but My Father is giving you Bread out of heaven, the true, for the Bread of God is He Who is descending out of heaven and giving life to the world.”

38 “…for I have descended from heaven, not that I should be doing My will, but the will of Him Who sends Me.”

50 “This is the Bread which is descending out of heaven that anyone may be eating of it and may not be dying.”

51 “I am the living Bread which descends out of heaven. If anyone should be eating of this Bread, he shall be living for the eon. Now the Bread also, which I shall be giving for the sake of the life of the world, is My flesh.”

58 “This is the Bread which descends out of heaven. Not according as the fathers ate and died; he who is masticating this Bread shall be living for the eon.”

In a Nutshell: If understood literally, Jesus’ claim to have “descended out of heaven” would mean that the Son of God descended out of heaven as a flesh-and-blood, mortal being (John 6:51, 58). However, as is the case throughout chapter six (such as when Jesus spoke of his flesh being eaten and his blood being drank) Jesus was using figurative imagery here. Specifically, Jesus’ “descent from heaven” imagery is the same sort of figurative imagery that is found elsewhere (in James 1:16 and 3:15), and emphasizes his supernatural origin as the Son of God.

Expanded Explanation: The “Bread of God” which descended out of heaven and gives life to the world is clearly the man, Jesus Christ. But notice that Christ further clarified the “Bread of God” as being his flesh. In verses 51 and 58 we read, “I am the living Bread which descends out of heaven. If anyone should be eating of this Bread, he shall be living for the eon. Now the Bread also, which I shall be giving for the sake of the life of the world, is My flesh…This is the Bread which descends out of heaven. Not according as the fathers ate and died; he who is masticating this Bread shall be living for the eon.

If we take Christ’s words to mean that he literally came down from heaven from a pre-existent state, then, to be consistent, we must also believe that it was Christ as a mortal, flesh-and-blood human who pre-existed and then came down from heaven. However, no one who believes in the doctrine of the pre-existence of Christ would affirm that a mortal, flesh-and-blood human literally came down out of heaven and was “incarnated.” Thus, what Christ declared in John 6 ends up “proving too much” with regards to providing support for the view that Christ pre-existed as a celestial spirit-being before he was conceived.

But if Christ wasn’t saying that he literally descended from heaven as a flesh-and-blood human, then what is the meaning of these verses? It was, apparently, an idiom among the Jewish people to say that something came down from heaven if God was its direct source. For example, the brother of our Lord wrote that “all good giving and every perfect gratuity is from above, descending from the Father of lights” (James 1:17). Similarly, in chapter 3, we are told that the wisdom that should characterize those to whom James wrote is that which is coming down from above” (v. 15) and which is from above (v. 17). This wisdom that “comes down from above” is contrasted with that which is “terrestrial, soulish, demoniacal.”

These verses do not, of course, mean that the good things in our lives literally come down from heaven (much less that they undergo some kind of mystical transformation before we receive them). What James meant is clear: God is the author and source of the good things in our lives (including the wisdom by which the saints should live). And just as God is the direct source of “all good giving and every perfect gratuity,” so God was the direct source of the ultimate blessing: his Son, Jesus Christ (Luke 1:34-35).

A similar idiom can be found in Matt. 21:25, when Christ asked the Jewish people, “John’s baptism – whence was it? Of heaven or of men?” The way that John's baptism would have been “of heaven” was if God - rather than man - was the source of the revelation and practice. John did not get the idea on his own or from some other human individual; it was “of heaven.”

In light of how such language is used in Scripture, Jesus’ words in John 6:38 and elsewhere are clear: Jesus, who was generated supernaturally in the womb of his mother, Miriam, “descended from/out of heaven” and is “from above” in the sense that God is his Father, and the direct source from whom he originated. 

Later in John’s account, we read the following exchange between Christ and his disciples: I came out from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.” His disciples are saying to Him, “Lo! now with boldness art Thou speaking, and not one proverb art Thou telling. Now we are aware that Thou art aware of all and hast no need that anyone may be asking Thee. By this we are believing that Thou camest out from God.

What was previously spoken of more figuratively as Christ’s “descending from heaven” is, in these verses, more plainly stated as Christ’s simply coming “out from God.” Jesus could declare that he “came out from the Father” because, as the one responsible for the miraculous conception in his mother’s womb (Luke 1:35), God was his direct source. Jesus “entered the world” when he was conceived, and left the world and went to the Father at his ascension.

There are also verses that say Jesus was “sent from God,” a phrase that also emphasizes God as the ultimate source of that which is sent. John the Baptist is also said to be a man who was “sent from God” (John 1:6). The idea of coming from God or being sent by God is clarified by Jesus’ words in John 17. There, we read, “As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world” (v. 18). We understand perfectly what Christ meant when he said, “I have sent them into the world.” He meant that he commissioned his disciples, or appointed them. No one thinks that Jesus' disciples were in heaven with God and incarnated into the flesh. Christ said, As you have sent me, I have sent them.”

John 6:62
62 If, then, you should be beholding the Son of Mankind ascending where He was formerly -- ?

In a Nutshell: When Jesus referred to the Son of Mankind as “ascending where He was formerly,” he had in view Daniel 7:13-14. In the prophetic vision described in these verses, the “Son of Mankind” was seen by Daniel as ascending to heaven and being presented before God in the heavenly throne room. Jesus was, therefore, speaking enigmatically about fulfilling this particular prophecy (which is also the origin of the title “Son of Mankind” which Jesus so often applied to himself during his earthly ministry).

Expanded Explanation: In response to this enigmatic question, the question naturally arises, “Where was the Son of Mankind ‘formerly?’? I believe the key to answering this question is found in the expression “Son of Mankind.” When we understand the prophetic significance of this title, the meaning of Christ’s words in v. 62 will, I think, become clearer. The expression “Son of Mankind” (or “Son of Man”) is not original to Christ, but is derived from a prophetic passage found in the book of Daniel. In Daniel 7:13-14 we read, “I was perceiving in the visions of the night, and behold, with the clouds of the heavens one like a Son of Mankind was approaching. He went up to the Transferrer of Days and was escorted before him. To him was given ruling authority, honor, and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations, and language groups shall serve him.”

Every usage of the title “Son of Mankind” by Christ points back to this key passage, and may thus be understood as having been Christ’s way of identifying himself with the prophesied Messianic figure seen by Daniel in the night visions. Moreover, it must be emphasized that the title “Son of Mankind” refers to a human descendent of Adam and Eve and not to some sort of pre-existent celestial spirit-being that God created before the creation of the universe. As such, the “Son of Mankind” had no existence outside of Daniel’s vision until Jesus was conceived in the womb of his mother, Miriam.

And yet, there is a sense in which the Son of Mankind can be said to have been somewhere “formerly.” In the aforementioned vision given to Daniel, the Son of Mankind was in heaven, having ascended there and been presented before his God and Father. This, then, is what Christ had in mind when he referred to the Son of Mankind as ascending to ”where he was formerly.” “Formerly” means at the time when Daniel received his vision of the Son of Mankind ascending to heaven and being presented to God. And when Christ Jesus – the one whom Daniel saw in his vision – ascended to God forty days after his resurrection, he fulfilled the prophecy found in Daniel 7:13-14.

John's Account, Part Three: http://thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/2017/11/a-consideration-of-passages-thought-to_90.html




[1] On the other hand, the mere fact that someone was alive before (and thus older than) John did not, in and of itself, mean that John was less worthy or less important than they were; on the contrary, according to Christ in Matt. 11:11, “not among those born of women has there been roused a greater [prophet] than John the baptist” (cf. Luke 7:28).

[2] It should be noted that there is disagreement among students of scripture as to where, in the third chapter of John’s account, Christ’s discourse actually ends. The Greek manuscripts have no standard way of indicating where a quotation ends, and so it is uncertain whether verses 13–21 are the words of Christ to Nicodemus (or perhaps to a wider audience on another occasion) or the words of the narrator (John) that were added as an editorial comment.

Some scholars see verse 13 as the beginning of John’s own words in this chapter, rather than a continuation of the words of Christ to Nicodemus (the Concordant Literal New Testament, for example, has the words of Christ ending in v. 12). Others, however, see Christ’s words as ending with v. 15, and v. 16 as marking the beginning of John’s comments (see, for example, the New English Translation, the RSV, the Lexham English Bible and the NIV 2011). Still others believe Christ’s words continue all the way to v. 21 (e.g., Moffatt, J.B. Phillips, NEB, ESV, NASB, NRSV, HCSB and NIV 1984). I see the first view as most plausible (i.e., that Christ’s discourse concludes with v. 12, and that John’s commentary begins with v. 13 and continues all the way to v. 21).

Saturday, November 18, 2017

A consideration of passages thought to reveal the "preexistence of Christ": John's Account, Part One

John 1
1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word.
2 This was in the beginning toward God.
3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being.

In a Nutshell: The “word” in view here is not a reference to a pre-existent person, but rather to the spoken word or declaration of God by which he brought everything into existence, and which is the expression of his wisdom, purpose and character. It is this word which “became flesh” when Christ – the final and ultimate agent in whom God has chosen to speak (and through whom God will succeed in accomplishing his redemptive purpose for the world) - came into existence.

Expanded Explanation: In these verses we are told that the word (logos) was “with (or “toward”) God,” and that the word “was God.” But what does the word “God” (theos) represent here? What meaning did John intend the word to convey to his readers? Most Christians believe that the “word” refers to Christ in a pre-existent (or “pre-incarnate”) state. To test this theory, let’s substitute the expression, “the word,” with the expression, “the pre-incarnate Son,” and replace the word “God” with “the Father.” In doing so we read: “In the beginning was the pre-incarnate Son, and the pre-incarnate Son was with the Father, and the pre-incarnate Son was the Father.” That doesn't work. While it would be perfectly consistent with the so-called “Modalist” position to say that, in the beginning, the Son was the Father and the Father was the Son, such a position should, I believe, be rejected by all clear-thinking students of scripture as neither logical nor scriptural.

I think there is a better way to understand what John was saying in this verse. First, we need to identify the being referred to as “God” in the first part of verse 1. Since scripture is the best interpreter of itself, we'll do this by comparing verses 1 and 4 from John chapter 1 with what John wrote in his first epistle:

In the beginning was the word (logos), and the word was toward God, and God was the word...in it was life, and the life was the light of men (John 1:1, 4).

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, at which we gaze and our hands handle, is concerned with the word of lifeAnd the life was manifested, and we have seen and are testifying and reporting to you the life eonian which was toward the Father and was manifested to us (1 John 1:1-2).

By comparing these two passages, it is evident that the title “God” in John 1:1 refers to the Father. Moreover, it should be noted that John refers to the “word” as theos, not as ton theon, which is the personal title that refers to the Father here and elsewhere (see John 3:16; 3:34; 4:24; 6:46; 11:22; 14:1; 17:3). Without the Greek article ton, the word theos can refer to that which is qualitatively divine (or divine in nature). Understood in this way, John was not, in verse 1, telling us WHO the word was, but rather WHAT the word was (i.e., the word was divine in nature, or divine in a qualitative sense). So the “word” of which John wrote was, in the beginning, divine in nature, but it was not numerically identical to the Father himself (who was referred to previously as “ton theon,” and is the divine being whom the word is said to have been “with” or “toward”).

Moreover, the word that was “with God in the beginning” cannot be understood as Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, since the only-begotten Son of God was, and is, a human being – i.e., a descendent of the first man, Adam - and did not exist until he was conceived/begotten in the womb of his mother Miriam by the “power of the Most High” (Luke 1:30-35). It was at this time - and not any time before - that God became the Father of our Lord. So Christ – the only-begotten Son of God – cannot be the “word” that was “toward God in the beginning.” Rather, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the “word made flesh.” Christ is the human being (the person composed of “flesh”) which the word “became” (or was embodied as) at a certain point in time (v. 14).

But what then is the “word” that was “with” or “toward” God “in the beginning?” Answer: the “word” (logos) here simply refers to the spoken word of God - i.e., the divine declaration or utterance by which God brought everything into existence, and which is the expression of God’s wisdom, purpose and character:

“In a beginning, God created the heavens and the earth...and God SAID...” (Gen 1:1, 3)

“By the word of Yahweh the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host...For he [Yahweh] spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm” (Ps. 33:6, 9).

“He sent out his word and healed them, and delivered them from their destruction” (Ps. 107:20).

“He sends out his command to the earth; his word runs swiftly...He sends out his word, and melts them; he makes his wind blow and the waters flow...He declares his word to Jacob, his statutes and rules to Israel” (Ps. 147:15, 18-19).

“It is he who made the earth by his power, who established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding stretched out the heavens. When he utters his voice, there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses” (Jer. 10:12-13).

“...by the word (logos) of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water...” (2 Pet 3:5).

More Examples of the “Word of Yahweh” in the OT

Genesis 15:1, 4
After these things the word of Yahweh came to Abram in a vision: "Fear not, Abram, I am your shield; your reward shall be very great."

And behold, the word of Yahweh came to him: "This man shall not be your heir; your very own son shall be your heir."

According to Jamieson, Fausset and Brown in their commentary, the “word of Yahweh” referred to in Genesis 15:1 is “a phrase used, when connected with a vision, to denote a prophetic message.” There is no reason to understand the person speaking the “word of Yahweh” to Abraham in this vision as being anyone other than Yahweh himself (i.e., the Father, who is a unipersonal being).

Consider also the words that Yahweh gave to Moses to say to Pharaoh, in Exodus 9:13-19:

Then Yahweh said to Moses, "Rise up early in the morning and present yourself before Pharaoh and say to him, 'Thus says Yahweh, God of the Hebrews...You are still exalting yourself against my people and will not let them go. Behold, about this time tomorrow I will cause very heavy hail to fall, such as never has been in Egypt from the day it was founded until now. Now therefore send, get your livestock and all that you have in the field into safe shelter, for every man and beast that is in the field and is not brought home will die when the hail falls on them.

We're then told in vv. 20-21:

Then whoever feared the word of Yahweh among the servants of Pharaoh hurried his slaves and his livestock into the houses, but whoever did not pay attention to the word of Yahweh left his slaves and his livestock in the field.

Here "the word of Yahweh" is simply the spoken message that Yahweh gave Moses to give to Pharaoh. It's not a visible (or invisible) "person of Yahweh" who exists as a person distinct from another "person of Yahweh." This "word of Yahweh" is simply what Yahweh had spoken to Moses to say to Pharaoh, and has no existence apart from Yahweh himself.

Similarly, in Numbers 3:14-16 we read:

And Yahweh spoke to Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, saying, "List the sons of Levi, by fathers’ houses and by clans; every male from a month old and upward you shall list." So Moses listed them according to the word of Yahweh, as he was commanded.

Here the “word of Yahweh” is simply the message that Yahweh spoke to Moses, not a person distinct from Yahweh (or one of two or more personal beings who are each, in some sense, all “Yahweh”).

Consider also Numbers 15:31:

Because he has despised the word of Yahweh and has broken his commandment, that person shall be utterly cut off; his iniquity shall be on him.

Here despising the word of Yahweh is equivalent to breaking the commandment that was given to the people of Israel.

Again, we read in Numbers 24:12-14:

And Balaam said to Balak, "Did I not tell your messengers whom you sent to me, 'If Balak should give me his house full of silver and gold, I would not be able to go beyond the word of Yahweh, to do either good or bad of my own will. What Yahweh speaks, that will I speak'?"

Here it is evident that the "word of Yahweh" was simply understood to mean that which Yahweh had spoken.

In Deut. 5:4-6, 22, we read:

Yahweh spoke with you face to face at the mountain, out of the midst of the fire, while I stood between Yahweh and you at that time, to declare to you the word of Yahweh. For you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up into the mountain. He said:

"'I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery..."These words Yahweh spoke to all your assembly at the mountain out of the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and he added no more. And he wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Here again we find that the "word of Yahweh" is simply that which God spoke to the people. There is simply no "person of Yahweh" distinct from another "person of Yahweh" in view here or anywhere else when the "word of Yahweh" is referred to. This “word” is simply the divine utterance and declaration, and is not another divine person or "mode of existence" distinct from the divine person speaking. But astoundingly, this is precisely how most Christians understand the "word" of John's prologue when they come to this portion of Scripture. Rather than identifying God’s word as the spoken declaration which is the expression of God’s mind/thoughts and the means by which he accomplishes his purpose (and which, like God’s wisdom, may be personified), they turn it into a distinct divine person (or “mode of existence”) whom they believe the man, Jesus Christ, pre-existed as before his conception in the womb of his mother, Miriam.

As a final example of the “word of God” referred to in John 1:1, consider Isaiah 55:10-11:

"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it" (Isa. 55:10-11).

Although personified, the word of God in this passage (which was said to go out from God’s mouth and accomplish the purpose for which God sent it) is not literally a person. But being God’s word (and thus the expression of his wisdom, purpose and character), it is divine in nature, and may thus be said to be theos.

Moreover, the word logos is used throughout John’s Account to denote a spoken word, and I submit that it means the same thing in his prologue. It’s no more a personal, intelligent being with a mind and will separate from the Father (whom the word was “with” or “toward” in the beginning) than is “wisdom” is in Proverbs 8 (which is also represented as being alongside God in the beginning). This being the case, there is no more reason to capitalize logos in John 1 than there is to capitalize “wisdom” in Proverbs.

It was God’s word which, in a figurative sense, “became flesh” when - in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy (Matt. 1:22-23) and the word of God that came to Miriam through the messenger Gabriel (Luke 1:26-37) - Christ was generated by the “power of the Most High.” For not only did Christ live out and perfectly embody the inspired words that he spoke during his earthly ministry (words which came from his Father - John 7:16; 17:14), but – as the “word become flesh” - Christ is the ultimate and definitive communication of God’s heart and mind to mankind. In Hebrews 1:1-2 we read that, in contrast with the “many portions and many modes” in which God spoke “of old,” it is “in a Son” that God speaks “in the last of these days.” As such, Jesus - and Jesus alone – can be understood as “the Word of God.”

Moreover, just like the divine word referred to in Isaiah 55:10-11, Jesus is the one through whom God will succeed in accomplishing his redemptive purpose for the world (i.e., the reconciliation of all, so that the Father may be “all in all”). Thus, it is highly appropriate that John refer to Jesus in Rev. 19:13 as the “Word of God.” While, in the course of redemptive history, God has spoken through both celestial messengers and human beings (the prophets), only Christ is the perfect manifestation of the divine logos, for “in him dwells all the fullness of the divine nature bodily” (Col. 2:9; cf. Col 1:19; Eph 3:19; 2 Pet 1:4).

John 1:10-13
“In the world He was, and the world came into being through Him, and the world knew Him not. To His own He came, and those who are His own accepted Him not. Yet whoever obtained Him, to them He gives the right to become children of God, to those who are believing in His name, who were begotten, not of bloods, neither of the will of the flesh, neither of the will of a man, but of God.”

In a Nutshell: The one referred to as “He” in these verses is God, the Father. Jesus, the Son of God, does not directly come into view until verse 14, where we read that “the Word became flesh and tabernacles among us…”

Expanded Explanation: As has been previously argued, the “word” (logos) referred to in John 1:1-3 should best be understood as the spoken word or declaration of the Father – i.e., the spoken word by which God, the Father, reveals himself, expresses his mind and brings his plan to fulfillment. It is this word which “became flesh” when Christ was supernaturally generated in his mother's womb. In v. 4 we read that in God's word is “life.” The life that John had in view will first be enjoyed by the saints as eonian life (1 John 1:1-2; cf. John 5:24; 6:68; 12:50) – i.e., life in the kingdom during the eons of Christ’s reign. However, the life that is “in” God’s word will ultimately be the enjoyment of all mankind at the consummation, when death, the “last enemy,” is abolished (1 Cor. 15:24-28).

We’re further told that the life that was in God’s word in the beginning is “the light of men” – i.e., a source of knowledge/truth concerning God (cf. John 17:3). Significantly, we’re told by John that the one true God – i.e., the Father whom Christ represents and makes known - “is life eonian” (1 John 5:20) as well as “light” (1 John 1:5). As “life eonian,” the Father is the ultimate blessing that will characterize the life that will be enjoyed by the saints during the coming eons. As “light,” the Father is the ultimate, absolute source of truth for mankind.

John the baptizer came that he should be testifying concerning this light (divine source of truth), that all should be believing through it. When we’re told that John the baptizer was not this light (divine source of truth) but rather was sent to testify concerning it, the idea being conveyed is that the divine light - i.e., the absolute source of truth - was not manifested in John. That is, we’re being told that John was not, himself, the perfect representation and expression of this divine source of truth. This source of truth – which, we’re told, is enlightening every man – did not come into the world through John the baptizer. Rather, this light came into the world through another man: Jesus Christ.

In keeping with this fact, Christ declared himself to be the “light of the world” (John 8:12; 9:5; 12:46). Although only the Father is “light” in the ultimate, absolute sense, Christ (and no one else) was and is the perfect representation and expression of the Father. Christ did the works of the Father, and declared not his own word but the word of the Father (John 12:49-50; 14:8-9, 24; cf. Hebrews 1:1-2). It should be noted that what Christ declared concerning himself he declared concerning his disciples as well, since they – to a lesser and imperfect degree – were also to manifest the light of God in the world (Matt. 5:14-16). Similarly, Christ referred to Moses as “a lamp, burning and appearing” – i.e., Moses was a man in whom God’s light was manifested in the world as well. But the “light” that we’re told God “is” was manifested most fully and consistently in Christ alone.

We’re then told in John 1:10 that “In the world He was, and the world came into being through Him, and the world knew Him not.” Although this verse is commonly understood to be referring to Jesus Christ in a pre-existent state, I believe John had the Father in view here. As we’ve noted, the Father is said to be both “light” and “life eonian,” and it was by sending his Son into the world that the Father came into the world. It is not that Christ is the same person or being as Father, but rather that Christ represented and manifested the Father through his words and deeds. Not only did Christ perfectly represent his Father (such that if one saw Christ – who is the “Image of God” - one saw the Father), but Christ even spoke of the Father as being/remaining in him, and as working in and through him during his ministry on earth (John 10:32, 37-38; 14:9-11; 16:32). Paul also affirmed this truth when he wrote that “God was in Christ, conciliating the world to himself” (2 Cor. 5:19).

It may be objected that the world cannot be said to have come into being “through” God, since God is the first and absolute cause of everything. However, the Greek word dia does not necessarily mean or imply that something is a secondary cause, or that it is less-than-absolute with regards to causation. According to Thayer’s Greek Lexicon, the preposition dia can refer to “the means or instrument by which anything is effected; because what is done by means of person or thing seems to pass as it were through the same (cf. Winer's Grammar, 378 (354)).” We also read that this word can be used “of one who is the author of the action as well as its instrument, or of the efficient cause” (http://biblehub.com/greek/1223.htm). Thus, although God is the absolute and primary cause of all, the word dia can still be appropriately used in reference to him (see, for example, 1 Cor. 1:9; Romans 11:36; Heb. 2:10; 7:21).

When we read in v. 11 that “to His own he came,” it is commonly thought that the pronoun “his” is a reference to Christ. However, this can just as easily be understood as a reference to the Father. The words “his own” imply that the people in view were the unique possession of the one who came to them, and of course Israel is a nation which originated and belongs to God in a unique sense that cannot be said of any other nation on earth (Ex. 19:5; Deut. 7:6-8; 14:2; 2 Sam. 7:23-24; 1 Chron. 17:20-21; Romans 11:1-2; etc.). Israel is the nation of which God is figuratively considered as being both the “father” (Mal. 2:10) as well as the “husband” (Jer. 31:32; Isaiah 54:5; 62:4-5; Ezekiel 16:32-34; Hosea 2:7). Despite the unique sense in which Israel could be considered God’s “own,” the unbelieving Israelites to whom Christ spoke did not know God (John 8:19; 16:3), and Christ even rebuked them for being “children of the Adversary” rather than being children of God (John 8:38-44).

However, there were a few within Israel who, at the time John wrote, had “received” or “obtained” the Father. How did they receive/obtain him? Answer: by “receiving” or “taking” the one whom the Father had sent - i.e., his Son, Jesus (John 13:20; Matthew 10:40; cf. John 12:44). Those who obtained the Father by believing in his name (having believed in God’s Son, who represented him) were given the right to become children of God. Who gives people the right to become children of God? Ultimately, God does; it is ultimately because of the Father’s love that anyone is given this special status (1 John 3:1).

It may be objected that it was Christ's name in which we're told people were to believe (John 2:23; 3:18). This is true; however, it’s also true that it was the Father's name which Christ declared he had manifested to those who believed on him (John 17:6, 26), and that by believing in Christ they were believing in the Father (John 12:44). Thus, absolutely speaking, those who believed in the name of Christ believed in the name of the Father. And, in doing so, they therefore obtained the Father: “Everyone who is disowning the Son, neither has the Father. He who is avowing the Son has the Father also” (1 John 2:23).