[The following is a response to an article by Rick Farwell entitled, "IF
GOD MAKES YOU DO IT, THEN YOU'RE NOT SINNING" (http://thedifferentiator.net/IFGOD.HTML)]
Mr. Farwell begins his article with the following quote by A.E.
Knoch:
"All evil which is done with due authority, such as paternal
or political, whether inflicted by parents upon their children, or masters upon
their servants, or the state on its subjects, or God on His creatures (of which
the rest are but figures) loses its "immoral" quality because it is
salutary and corrective. Its morality lies, not in the evil, but in the
relation sustained between the one who inflicts and the one who suffers.
Consequently, even moral evil, committed by criminal men, loses its immoral quality
when referred back to the One Whose purpose was being effected by the evil and
Who not only has the undoubted right to inflict it but Whose every act will yet
receive the undivided applause of the universe."
A.E. Knoch believed that sin and evil are an essential part of
God's redemptive plan for creation, and that God is ultimately responsible for
their existence in the universe. He also affirmed that God is perfectly good
and benevolent, and thus has the best interests of all his creatures at heart
(see, for example, Knoch's insightful work "The Problem of Evil,"
which can be read here: http://concordant.org/expositions/problem-evil-judgments-god-contents/).
I agree with Knoch on this. My understanding is that what
makes an intention or action sinful is the motive behind it. Because I believe
God's motive in bringing about the circumstances that result in sin being
committed by his creatures is entirely benevolent, God is entirely blameless in
everything he does. The "immoral quality" of any choice made by a
human or celestial being is found in the motive of the sinning creature, and
not in the motive of God, who is sinless. This, I believe, is essentially what
Knoch was affirming in the above quote. However, it needs to be stressed that,
although I will be defending this position against some of the assertions made
by Mr. Farwell in his article, it is not merely because Mr. Knoch (or anyone
else) believed it. It is because my own study of Scripture and my own
reflection on this subject over the years has brought me to the same conclusion
concerning the "problem of evil" to which Mr. Knoch arrived.
After some brief remarks concerning what Mr. Farwell believes to
have influenced A.E. Knoch's theology (which, according to Mr. Farwell, was the
"fatalistic teaching of the State Church of the Lutherans and the
atheistic Rationalists"), Mr. Farwell goes on to assert, "Since
God IS good, nothing He causes any of His created beings to do, even if it is
said to be "evil" is a sin. Since God is GOOD, everything He creates
in its original state will be good, because it is created "out of
God", Who is Good."
Notice that Mr. Farwell first uses the word "good" in
reference to God. Now, it is clear that, when used by Mr. Farwell to describe
God, the word "good" has a moral or ethical meaning, and refers to
God's perfectly sinless and righteous character or nature. But notice that Mr.
Farwell then uses the same word to describe "everything [God] creates in
its original state." Is it really Mr. Farwell's view that
"everything" that was created by God was originally "good"
in the same
sense that God is good? I doubt it. For in the sense that Mr. Farwell
is saying that God is "good" (which refers to God's perfectly
righteous character), "good" can be applied only to
moral/rational/intelligent beings. It would be nonsense to say that rocks,
trees, clouds, goats and stars are "good" in the same sense that God
is good, or in the sense that Jesus Christ is good. The word "good"
does not mean the same thing when used in reference to amoral things and
animals as it does when used in reference to moral beings. So it seems that Mr.
Farwell is being somewhat careless with his words here, and is
(unintentionally, I'm sure) guilty of the informal logical fallacy known as
"equivocation."
But what about Farwell's assertion that "nothing [God]
causes any of His created beings to do...is a sin?" Does this follow
necessarily from the fact that God is good? I don't think so. Suppose that,
before sin had ever been introduced into the universe, God chose to bring into
existence a being whose character and disposition was such that he was
incapable of not sinning. Suppose also that God's motive in bringing about this
state of affairs (i.e., the introduction of sin into the universe through the
creation of a being who cannot help but sin) was completely pure and
benevolent, and that the creation of this sinful being will ULTIMATELY
contribute to the maximum glorification of God and the maximum happiness of
every created being, both in the heavens and on earth.
Now, Mr. Farwell, of course, doesn't believe any of this. The
above scenario is purely hypothetical, as far as he is concerned. And that's
fine. But unless Mr. Farwell can show that the scenario described above is
implicitly or explicitly contradicted by Scripture - or that it is somehow
incoherent and logically impossible - then Mr. Farwell's belief that God's goodness
is inconsistent with his causing a created being to sin is not something which
anyone need feel Biblically (or rationally) obligated to share. Mr. Farwell would
have to show that it is either contradicted by Scripture or that it is somehow
logically impossible for sin to in any way contribute to the glorification of
God or to the ultimate happiness of all in order for his conclusion to necessarily follow.
And I honestly don't think Mr. Farwell (or anyone else) could prove such a thing.
But apart from Mr. Farwell's being able to prove this, no one need agree with his
assertion. For if (as I believe can be reasonably inferred from Scripture)
God's purpose to glorify himself and bring about the maximum happiness of all
requires the (temporary) existence of sin and evil in the universe, then God
would be fully justified (and would remain fully benevolent and good) in
bringing about such a state of affairs to achieve his goal. If the end
result is the maximizing of God's glory and the securing of the best interests
of all - and if this end result cannot be realized apart from the
temporary existence of sin and evil in the universe - then God would be fully justified in
bringing this about. The end, in this case, WOULD justify the means.
Mr. Farwell then quotes the passages from Genesis where God pronounces
his creation "good" and "very good." But these
pronouncements by God had absolutely nothing to do with the ethical/moral
goodness of the creation. God was not saying, "Creation is morally good
and blameless in character, just like me." For if that were the case, then
it would mean that, for the period of time during which Adam was alone (Gen.
2:18), creation was morally impure and sinful (for notice that God said it was
"NOT GOOD that the man should be alone...")! But that, of course, is
ridiculous. The fact is that God was not talking about the moral goodness of
his creation here.
The Hebrew word translated "good" is ṭôb,
and carries the same broad range of meaning as the English word
"good" (see, for example, Strong's definition). For example, we're
later told that God "made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the
sight and good (ṭôb) for food" (Gen 2:9;
cf. 3:6). Obviously, the "goodness" of these trees had nothing to do
with their moral/ethical character (for they had none). Their being "good
for food" simply meant that they were desirable, suitable or fit for food.
Similarly, God's creation was "very good" simply in that it was perfectly suited to
accomplish his divine purpose. It was favorable for the accomplishment of
his purpose, and in accord with what he desired it to be. God's appraisal of
his creation as "very good," then, was a value judgment. It was his
approval of his creation as being in accord with what he desired it to be, and
as perfectly suited for its chosen function.
Mr. Farwell goes on to say, "If everything Satan did was the
result of God doing it, it would be impossible for him to SIN (miss the mark),
if what Adam did in the garden, by eating the fruit from the tree of the
knowledge of Good and Evil, was God's doing, then it wouldn't have been a sin,
or transgression, or disobedience, or an offense against God, since Adam would
have only been doing God's will, and since God is Good, and not an evil being,
or a criminal organization, it could not have been rebellion, it would have
been following God's orders, doing the will of God, even His intention."
Sin, according to the apostle John, is "lawlessness" (1
John 3:4). At its heart, sin is essentially a violation of what Christ called
the two greatest precepts or commandments, on which he said depend (or are
"hanging") all the law and the prophets: "You shall be loving
the Lord your God with your whole heart, and with your whole soul, and with you
whole comprehension," and "You shall be loving your associate as
yourself" (Mark 12:28-31). According to Paul, to love another is to
fulfill God's law, and the saying "You shall love your associate as
yourself" (which in James 2:8 is called the "royal law") sums up
God's precepts (Rom 13:8-10). John even goes so far as to say that anyone who
professes to love God while failing to love his brother is a liar (John
4:19-21). To love God requires that one love one's associates as one loves
oneself. Whenever one is failing to
do this, one is guilty of "lawlessness," and is thus sinning.
But what if one's failure to love God and to love others is
ultimately due to circumstances outside of one's control (and which were
ultimately brought about by God himself)? Does a failure to keep these precepts
cease to be sin just because God is the ultimate explanation for why one is
failing to do this? I see no good reason why this should be the case.
Regardless of the ultimate explanation for WHY one is failing to love God and
one's associates (whether it's in accordance with God's sovereign purpose, or
the result of the "free will" of his creatures, as Mr. Farwell seems to
believe), the fact is that the failure of any moral being to keep these
precepts makes them a sinner. So it's simply not true that a person cannot be
considered a sinner simply because God is ultimately responsible (and the
ultimate explanation) for what they do and why they do it. For again, sin
essentially consists in a violation of God's precepts to love him supremely and
to love one's associate as oneself. A failure to love God supremely and to love
one's associate as oneself doesn't cease to be sin/lawlessness just because God
is the ultimate explanation for WHY one is failing to love. A failure to keep
these precepts is, at its essence, precisely what sin IS.
Thus, contrary to the view of Mr. Farwell, sin is sin regardless of whether
it is a part of God's plan for a being to sin, or not. If God's plan involved
the creation of a spiritual being whose character and disposition is such that
he can't help but fail to love God and human beings, this being would still
be a sinner. His failure to love God and the human beings within the sphere
of his influence wouldn't cease to be sinful merely because it was God's will
that he have this sinful character. Nor would his sinful actions cease to be
sinful merely because he is acting in accord with the counsel of God's will.
Consider, for example, the activity of Satan as described in the
opening chapters of the book of Job. Were not Satan's actions in accord with
the counsel of God's will? I'm not sure how this could be denied. Had it not
been God's will that Satan do what he did, he could have (and would have)
prevented Satan from doing it. God was just as capable of taking away Satan's
power and authority (or even having him thrown into the lake of fire) in Job's
day as he will be in the future. But this God did not do. Instead, God gave
Satan the full authority to do exactly what he (Satan) ended up doing. Satan's
actions after he left the divine throne room did not take God by surprise. God
had perfect knowledge of Satan's character and disposition, and knew exactly
what he would do if given the opportunity. There was nothing that Satan did
that God did not fully expect him to do, and which he did not give him the
authority to do; consequently, everything that Satan did must be understood as
being in accord with the counsel of God's will. And it should be noted that Job
himself understood all the evil that he suffered as ultimately coming from God,
and as being in accord with God's will: "Yahweh gave, and Yahweh has taken
away; blessed be the name of Yahweh" (Job 1:21-22). "Shall we receive
good from God, and shall we not receive evil?" (Job 2:10).
Now, I believe that God is good, and that everything he does is in
the best interests of all his creatures. Consequently, his motive in giving
Satan the authority to do what he did was perfectly pure. But what was Satan's
motive in doing what he did? Did he do it out of love for God and for Job? I
don't see any good reason to believe that he did. Instead, we have every reason
to believe that Satan's heart was just as full of malice as it was when he
tempted Eve in the garden of Eden. When Satan took almost everything of value
away from Job (including his children), it was not because he loved God. Nor
was it because he loved Job as he loved himself. Satan's actions were not
motivated by love for God or Job, but rather by a malicious desire to expose
Job as one who didn't really love God. His desire was that Job would, in
response to the adversity brought upon him, curse God to his face (Job 1:9-11;
2:5). In other words, what Satan did was sinful; he did not have Job's best
interests at heart. And his actions did not cease to be sinful merely because
they were in accord with the counsel of God's will.
Consider also Christ's temptation by Satan in the wilderness. Did
Satan do what he did at this time out of a love for Christ? Did he have
Christ's best interests at heart? Were his motives pure and in harmony with
what Christ called the greatest precepts? No; we have every reason to believe
that Satan's desire was that Christ yield to every temptation presented to him,
and that he take Satan up on his offer, and worship him in exchange for all the
kingdoms of the world and their glory (Matt 4:8-9).
Satan's actions during this time were undoubtedly sinful and wicked, and betrayed a lack of love for both God and his Son. And yet, it was evidently in accord with God's will that Satan do exactly what he did, for it was the spirit that led Jesus into the wilderness to be tried by Satan (Matt. 4:1; Mark 1:12). Had it not been God's will for Jesus to undergo this trial by Satan, the spirit would not have led Jesus into the wilderness to be tried by him. Thus, we have yet another example of the sinful activity of Satan being in accord with the counsel of God's will.
Satan's actions during this time were undoubtedly sinful and wicked, and betrayed a lack of love for both God and his Son. And yet, it was evidently in accord with God's will that Satan do exactly what he did, for it was the spirit that led Jesus into the wilderness to be tried by Satan (Matt. 4:1; Mark 1:12). Had it not been God's will for Jesus to undergo this trial by Satan, the spirit would not have led Jesus into the wilderness to be tried by him. Thus, we have yet another example of the sinful activity of Satan being in accord with the counsel of God's will.
In response to the position that Satan began his existence in a
sinful state, Mr. Farwell writes: "When did Satan, first LIE? When did he
become a MAN-KILLER? Well, the first man was Adam, so Satan couldn't have been
a man-killer before there was a man to kill."
With regards to Satan's being a sinner, one of the following must
be true: either he was created by God with a sinful character/disposition, OR
he began his existence in a morally pure/upright (or morally neutral) state,
and then acquired a sinful character/disposition later on. Although both
positions cannot be true, both views are consistent with the position that God
is sovereign over all circumstances, and is thus ultimately responsible for
Satan's present sinfulness. For regardless of which view is correct, it could
be affirmed that God is ultimately responsible for Satan's being a sinner. With
that said, I believe that Scripture affirms the former view.
It is clearly stated in Scripture that Satan has been sinning "from the beginning" (1 John 3:8) and that Satan has been a man-killer "from the beginning" (John 8:44). From the beginning of what? Evidently, the beginning of his creation, or existence. When Christ used the same expression in reference to Adam and Eve (Matt. 19:4; Mark 10:6), the "beginning" in view refers to the time of their creation - i.e., the beginning of their existence. When used in reference to Satan, therefore, it is most natural to understand the "beginning" to refer to the time of his creation - i.e., the beginning of his existence.
It is clearly stated in Scripture that Satan has been sinning "from the beginning" (1 John 3:8) and that Satan has been a man-killer "from the beginning" (John 8:44). From the beginning of what? Evidently, the beginning of his creation, or existence. When Christ used the same expression in reference to Adam and Eve (Matt. 19:4; Mark 10:6), the "beginning" in view refers to the time of their creation - i.e., the beginning of their existence. When used in reference to Satan, therefore, it is most natural to understand the "beginning" to refer to the time of his creation - i.e., the beginning of his existence.
But how could Satan be a "man-killer" before there were
human beings in existence to kill? First, it should be noted that a person
could be considered a murderer or "man-killer" without actually
killing anyone. This is evident from the apostle John, who taught that anyone
who has hatred for his brother is a man-killer (1 John 3:15). Thus, being a
"man-killer" concerns the malicious disposition of a person's heart,
and not necessarily the act of taking someone's life. Second, if God's
intention in creating Satan was that he would be the adversary of mankind and
would desire and seek their destruction and ruin, then it would be true to say
that Satan was a "man-killer from the beginning." For being a
"man-killer" - i.e., being one who hates and seeks the destruction
and ruin of human beings - would be the purpose and role for which Satan was created
by God (at least, with regards to the eons). Thus, Satan can be said to have
been a man-killer from the beginning if (in accordance with God's "purpose
of the eons") he was created by God with a sinful and malicious
disposition that is antagonistic and hostile towards human beings, and which
caused him to seek their destruction and ruin as soon as they were created.
But again, it should be emphasized that, regardless of whether one
believes that Satan began his existence as a sinful being or not, one can still
affirm that (1) God is ultimately responsible for Satan's being a sinner, and
(2) God is good, and does only that which is in the best interests of all his
creatures.
Mr. Farwell goes on to say, "And if Satan had been doing God's
work in the Garden, he wouldn't have sinned, and if what he said to Eve had
been God's words, then he wouldn't have been a father of lies or a liar."
If God's sovereign plan for Satan in the garden was that Satan act
in a way that was unloving toward the human beings within the sphere of his
influence, it would neither make God unloving nor make Satan loving. Satan's
antagonism toward humanity doesn't become love just because it is in accord
with God's plan. His failure to love the human creatures within the sphere of
his influence is still sin, even if God was ultimately responsible for his
being this way. Similarly, if God's sovereign plan required that Satan speak
falsehoods to Eve in the garden, it would neither make God a liar nor make
Satan a truth-teller. Satan's lies don't become truths just because his being
"a liar and the father of it" is in accord with God's sovereign plan.
In the final paragraph of his article, Mr. Farwell says, "So, the solution to this (sin-evil
problem) is not in some sort of Calvinist-Fatalistic nightmare in which the
only One Who is GOOD, is really not so good after all, and is a "the end
justifies the means" Deity (differing little from a manipulating
narcissist). No, the solution is that God has delegated certain abilities to some of
His creatures, and given a certain freedom in areas where they will be judged
according to what they have done with these powers and abilities (this is why
Libertarian Free Will exists within these creatures—man and celestial
beings)."
Opponents of the Biblical position that all is out of God (Rom
11:36) frequently deride this view as "fatalism," or as being
"fatalistic." Is this a fair charge or description of this
position? Fatalism says, "Whatever is, must be." This
philosophical position does not take into account the existence of a personal
(let alone a wise and benevolent) God or the unfolding of an all-encompassing
divine plan. One popular definition of fatalism is, "The belief that
events are determined by an impersonal fate and cannot be changed by human
beings." In contrast to this view, Scripture affirms that it is the God
and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ - not a blind, impersonal fate - who is
operating all in accord with the counsel of his will (Eph 1:11).
Although Mr. Farwell is clearly not a fan of "fatalism,"
he evidently has no problem believing in something that is equally
philosophical in nature: "libertarian free will." Since I've already
written an article against this position (http://thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/2014/07/a-critical-look-at-christian-doctrine.html),
there's no need to spend much time on the subject here. As I demonstrate in my
article, any choices that are "free" in the libertarian sense would
be nothing more than events of a completely random nature, and any being who is
"free" in the libertarian sense would essentially be a random event
generator. Any future event which is uncertain (and thus only possibly one way
or another) from the perspective of not only God's creatures but God himself must
necessarily be understood as a purely chance event.
Consider, for example, the movement of a quantum particle. If it
is uncertain to God whether a particle will swerve to the left or to the right,
then its swerving to the left or to the right would be a purely random event
from God's perspective. Whether it went one direction or another would, from
God's perspective, be a matter of pure chance. And since God's perspective is
the ultimate and absolute perspective, any such event would, absolutely
speaking, be completely random and (therefore) inexplicable. There would be no
reasonable explanation that God could provide as to why one outcome was
actualized rather than the other. And the same, I believe, would go for any
choices made by his creatures IF such choices were "free" in the libertarian
sense.
If it is uncertain to God how a human or angelic being will
exercise their libertarian free will - if God is unable to know with certainty
the outcome of such a volitional event - then the being's choice would be a
purely random event, absolutely speaking. It would not be random and
inexplicable merely in the sense that no finite being with limited
knowledge could predict it. No, it would be random and inexplicable in
that not even God himself could predict it. And if God himself
could not predict such a volitional event and know with certainty what the
outcome would be, a reasonable explanation as to why one choice was made rather
than another would be impossible, even for God. The volitional event and its
outcome would be inexplicable and utterly random in nature. Thus, in the
attempt to relieve God of the responsibility for evil in the world and
"free" people from his absolute control over all things, those who
believe in "libertarian free will" end up making us all slaves
to pure chance and randomness.
Mr. Farwell goes on to say, "God did a very difficult thing in
giving His creation a great amount of liberty, it proved very costly, for many
times God was grieved (even to the point of wiping out all but eight people in
a flood) as only a Good and Loving Being could be when His creatures misuse
their gifts and become lost, and relinquish some of their power to others."
It would seem to be Mr. Farwell's belief that God's being
described as grieving or regretting the decisions of his creatures supports his
position that they have "libertarian free will." The example Mr.
Farwell uses is the regret/grief God is described as having in response to the
wickedness of mankind prior to the flood. Now, it would seem that Mr. Farwell
is a proponent of the philosophical/theological position known as "Open
Theism" (or is at least sympathetic towards this position). According to
Open Theism, much of the future is "open" (i.e., uncertain) from
God's perspective until human and angelic beings exercise their
"libertarian free will." According to Open Theism, much of the future
depends on the "free will" choices of humans and angelic beings for
its becoming "settled." Until then, the future is "open"
and only POSSIBLY this way or that way - not just from the relative perspective
of human and angelic beings (which would be the case even if the future was
settled from God's perspective), but from the absolute perspective of God
himself. However, even an Open Theist would have to admit the absurdity of
thinking that, after Adam and Eve failed to resist a single temptation from
Satan in the garden of Eden, God would have expected subsequent generations of
human beings to fare any better under much less ideal and favorable
circumstances.
Scripture affirms that God declares "the end from the
beginning" (Isaiah 46:10), that all is "out of" and
"through" God (Rom 11:36), and that God is operating "all things
in accord with the counsel of his will" (Eph. 1:10). This being the case,
we can conclude that God knew how corrupt mankind was going to become in Noah's
day before he created mankind, or even before he created the heavens and the
earth. Nothing that took place prior to the flood took God by surprise, or was
in any way contrary to his expectation.
What then of God's being represented as grievously regretting his decision to make man? This is likely an example of the literary device known as anthropomorphism. God's "regret" should not be understood any more literally than what we read in Gen 2:9 (where God is represented as being ignorant of Adam's location in the garden of Eden), Gen 9:13-17 (where God sets the rainbow in the sky in order "to remember the age-abiding covenant" he made with Noah), or Gen 18:20-21 (where God speaks as if he doesn't have full knowledge of the past or present). God is described as regretting his decision to create mankind to give emphasis to the radical wickedness and corruption of mankind at this time and to the unexpected, cataclysmic event that was about to transpire to remedy this problem.
What then of God's being represented as grievously regretting his decision to make man? This is likely an example of the literary device known as anthropomorphism. God's "regret" should not be understood any more literally than what we read in Gen 2:9 (where God is represented as being ignorant of Adam's location in the garden of Eden), Gen 9:13-17 (where God sets the rainbow in the sky in order "to remember the age-abiding covenant" he made with Noah), or Gen 18:20-21 (where God speaks as if he doesn't have full knowledge of the past or present). God is described as regretting his decision to create mankind to give emphasis to the radical wickedness and corruption of mankind at this time and to the unexpected, cataclysmic event that was about to transpire to remedy this problem.
Moreover, it should be noted that, according to Mr. Farwell's
view, it was always a possibility to God that mankind would become as evil as
they became prior to the flood. And yet God (according to Mr. Farwell)
apparently valued man's "libertarian free will" enough to take that
risk! Thus, the God of Libertarian Free Will/Open Theism allowed for this
possibility when he willed to create a world in which such a possibility might
be actualized. In order to achieve what he viewed to be a greater good, he preferred that
such a thing be possible rather than not possible. Thus, God is just as much an"end
justifies the means Deity" according to Mr. Farwell's position as
he is according to the position that he opposes. According to Mr. Farwell's
position, there would have been no evil apart from God's decision to give his
creatures "libertarian free will."
Apparently, God valued the existence and exercise of such
"freedom" more than he
valued a world in which evil could not and would not be actualized, and thus
considered the creation of beings with this sort of "freedom" worth the risk of
evil being actualized in every possible way in which it has been (and will be)
actualized. According to Mr. Farwell's view, then, our having libertarian
free will is a "greater good" that justifies the possibility of (what
he would probably consider to be) gratuitous evil.
God's creating a world in which gratuitous evil is possible should, therefore
(according to Mr. Farwell's view), be considered a necessary means to an
end - i.e., the realization of a "greater good" that could
not be realized apart from the
existence of libertarian free will (and thus apart from the
possibility of gratuitous evil).
According to what Mr. Farwell seems to believe, God's plan and
expectation when he created the heavens and the earth was that his creation
would remain forever free from sin. If this is the case, then we have a sad and
pathetic God indeed - a God who is more deserving of our pity than our praise.
For if this were God's plan and expectation, then he experienced - and is
continuing to experience - the greatest disappointment imaginable. And not only
that, but we would have no good reason to put our trust in God. We could have
no assurance that the ultimate redemptive purpose of God will ever be
accomplished if anything has ever happened contrary to his plan and expectation
- especially if that which was contrary to his plan and expectation was the
introduction of sin and evil into the universe. If, however, God's sovereign
plan all along was that sin and evil would enter his creation, remain for a
time, and then be abolished through the redemptive work of his Son, then his
plan is truly the expression of a perfectly wise, competent and good Being.
Aaron, on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being best, your response merits a 20. Very well put on every point! I commend you dear brother! Good, no, great response.
ReplyDeleteJust a thought concerning the giving of the law: When God gave the law to Israel and they covenanted to keep the law and should they not keep the law then the curses of the law would come upon them, did God make them not keep the law? I think the answer to that would be in the affirmative for is it not written:
"For the disposition of the flesh is death, yet the disposition of the spirit is life and peace, (7) because the disposition of the flesh is enmity to God, for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither is it able." (8) Now those who are in flesh are not able to please God" (Romans 8:6-8).
God created those Israelites and humanity for that fact, flesh knowing full well in advance that Israel could not keep the law and could not please God. Yet God purposely gave them the law and covenanted with them knowing this. So in fact, God was responsible for them not keeping the law and was responsible for bringing the curses of the law upon them. And yet God is still good because He did it to prove to them they could not keep the law and it was to escort them to Christ.
The same in the garden. God created Adam and Eve as fleshly beings knowing full well they could not please Him nor be subject to the law He laid down in the garden "Thou shalt not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." He knew and not only knew but precipitated their disobedience by putting the serpent in the garden to delude Eve. This was all to sweep mankind into sin and death but to bring forth a Saviour to save them from sin and death.
Thanks for the encouraging words, Tony! And regarding your comments on the giving of the law and the sin of Adam, I agree with you 100%.
ReplyDeleteAaron, I second Tony's comments above in his first paragraph. This is a brilliant refutation of what I consider to be Farwell's insanity. How few today--even among those who claim to be teachers--possess the acumen for logical thought. I ran out of fingers keeping track of Farwell's fallacies, but you have not only kept track of them, you have dissected and refuted them for public gaze. For this, I thank you! --Martin Zender
ReplyDeleteIt seems that Rick's view is that our God is unsure about everything important. His Open Theism god is ultimately as much a spectator to creation as we are. If his god is so unsure about everything then I wonder how this god could be certain that he is not just a small god being manipulated by a higher power. Why question if such a god is the author of evil when you can't first be certain that He is really the God with an upper case G. Rick's Open Theist god lacks Omniscience. Such a god cannot be absolutely certain of his supremacy. So I must ask why would it matter if it is really sin when God is ultimately responsible. Rick's god can't be ultimately responsible for anything if he can't be 100% sure of and control all important outcomes. Rick's god is small. Rick has to make him small so he can fit into his theological box.
ReplyDeleteWish I could refute lesser but also.poisonus positions in my neck of the woods with less accumen.Thank God for you guys you help me stay allert!here in Camden s.c.Aaron.God willing I'll be patient until he opens eyes then we'll rejoice in common.I'll rejoice now in hope.Peace and Love in spirit My brothers.
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